Because 'fallenness' isn't the default created position.
I see no reason at all for there to be a creation that never fell and continued as the creator intended it to be.
Just because it happened on our world doesn't mean it inevitably followed on another.
If there was a Fall in another context then the plan pf atonement would be tailor-made for them and that does not necessarily entail an incarnate atonement.
Do you suppose then that whatever the serpent in the garden was, only appeared on earth and it would just give up and lose interest in bringing down whatever beings God had decided to confer His Image and Likeness upon, if it were roundly rebuffed, and would then have just left it at that? "que sera sera".
Not very persistent!
My impression of Satan is that he would pester until he gets his way. Always looking for an opportune moment. Very focused on the rightness of his cause.
We seem to be a long way from discussing whether Jesus became sin. We do know that God tempts no one though. Ja.1:13.
Do you suppose then that whatever the serpent in the garden was, only appeared on earth and it would just give up and lose interest in bringing down whatever beings God had decided to confer His Image and Likeness upon, if it were roundly rebuffed, and would then have just left it at that? "que sera sera".
Not very persistent!
My impression of Satan is that he would pester until he gets his way. Always looking for an opportune moment. Very focused on the rightness of his cause.
We seem to be a long way from discussing whether Jesus became sin. We do know that God tempts no one though. Ja.1:13.
Not very far at all. Did our Jesus become sin for the other ten to the thirtieth power sapient beings?
Do you suppose then that whatever the serpent in the garden was, only appeared on earth and it would just give up and lose interest in bringing down whatever beings God had decided to confer His Image and Likeness upon, if it were roundly rebuffed, and would then have just left it at that? "que sera sera".
Not very persistent!
My impression of Satan is that he would pester until he gets his way. Always looking for an opportune moment. Very focused on the rightness of his cause.
We seem to be a long way from discussing whether Jesus became sin. We do know that God tempts no one though. Ja.1:13.
Not very far at all. Did our Jesus become sin for the other ten to the thirtieth power sapient beings?
In just this universe?
And did our Satan make them all original sinners?
If sapient surely they would never be fooled by Satan anyhow. It's only fools that would fall for his lies, surely. No fall - no need for a savior. That fact that we needed one proves we were not sapient.
And what and when is the fall? When did Satan lie to us? All species theoughout the universe, the easily ten to the eighteenth power of them, will have evolved hypocritical natures. They couldn't durvive otherwise. Did Satan lie to all of them demiurgically too? And, again, did our Jesus effect all of their salvations despite the fact they'll never know Him?
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I see no reason at all for there to be a creation that never fell and continued as the creator intended it to be.
Just because it happened on our world doesn't mean it inevitably followed on another.
If there was a Fall in another context then the plan pf atonement would be tailor-made for them and that does not necessarily entail an incarnate atonement.
Not very persistent!
My impression of Satan is that he would pester until he gets his way. Always looking for an opportune moment. Very focused on the rightness of his cause.
We seem to be a long way from discussing whether Jesus became sin. We do know that God tempts no one though. Ja.1:13.
Not very far at all. Did our Jesus become sin for the other ten to the thirtieth power sapient beings?
In just this universe?
And did our Satan make them all original sinners?
If sapient surely they would never be fooled by Satan anyhow. It's only fools that would fall for his lies, surely. No fall - no need for a savior. That fact that we needed one proves we were not sapient.
Sentient, perhaps but not sapient.