General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • I used to Mondegreen a Grease song to "Your The Wizard of Oz"
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    It's been a sad week for Australian singing ladies - first Judith Durham and now Olivia Newton John.

    May they both RIP.

    And yes - I'm feeling old now too.
  • I understand that Judith Durham is to get a state funeral.
    Surely they would want the same for Olivia Newton-John?
  • I’d guess not; she hasn’t lived in Oz for 40+ years
  • Wesley JWesley J Circus Host
    edited August 2022

    Sadness. I have both the album and the DVD to this mad and marvellous film Xanadu, some excellent music in there, e.g. the title song.

    I used to be a big fan of The Electric Light Orchestra, ELO, back then, but the entire Xanadu album has some real gems!

    RIP. Your music lives on.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I did know that she was born in the same hospital as my Mum, bit I didn't realise that her grandfather was Nobel laureate Max Born.

    Yes! One of my favourite factoids!
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Raymond Briggs author of The Snowman and other wonderful books has died. He came and did a talk at my college when I was a student and I forgot to go. :disappointed:
  • Sojourner wrote: »
    I’d guess not; she hasn’t lived in Oz for 40+ years

    Saw on the noos that the family of Olivia N-J has accepted the Victorian government’s offer of a state funeral.

    Mind-boggling to me: will mortal remains be repatriated?

    I have the impression that the deceased was of a New Age persuasion; can’t imagine send-off from St Paul’s Cathedral or the Scots Kirk.

    Maybe the Myer Music Bowl?
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I didn't know states could do state funerals, as it were.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Sarasa wrote: »
    Raymond Briggs author of The Snowman and other wonderful books has died. He came and did a talk at my college when I was a student and I forgot to go. :disappointed:

    Yes indeed, very powerful graphic novels and master of a range of moods. Quite an achievement to create both Fungus the Bogeyman and When the Wind Blows (as well as The Snowman of course).
  • I didn't know states could do state funerals, as it were.


    You live and you learn,don’t you?
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    I didn't know states could do state funerals, as it were.

    States have their own existence, being the descendants of the former colonies. In their own areas of power, they are supreme and not subject to federal control or supervision - for example, each has its own criminal law. State governors are appointed by the Crown with no input from the Commonwealth.
  • Similar here, but I’ve never heard of a US state conducting a state funeral. (Of course, it well may have happened and I just don’t know about it.)

    I’ve also never heard of a state funeral in the US for anyone but a current or former office-holder. (Same disclaimer.)

  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Similar here, but I’ve never heard of a US state conducting a state funeral. (Of course, it well may have happened and I just don’t know about it.)

    Not sure if it counts as a "state funeral" as such, but John McCain did lie in state in the Arizona Capitol rotunda.
  • There's a good short article on the Australian practice of state funerals here
  • Anne Heche (53) has been declared legally dead following a car crash a week ago. While legally dead, it is being reported that her heart is still beating and she is being kept on life support to allow time to find organ donation recipients.

  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    The writer, Presbyterian minister and theologian Frederick Buechner has died at 96. His books include The Alphabet of Grace, Telling Secrets, The Hungering Dark.

    “The grace of God means something like: Here is your life. You might never have been, but you are because the party wouldn't have been complete without you. Here is the world. Beautiful and terrible things will happen. Don't be afraid."
  • Oh, that one hurts to hear. His writings have meant a great deal to me over the years. My wife and I heard him speak many years ago, and it was memorable.

  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    MaryLouise, Thanks for that quote - it's amazing.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Metropolitan Kallistos Ware has died, a remarkable Orthodox theologian and scholar. As a recent convert at 26 years old, Timothy Ware wrote The Orthodox Church in 1961 and it remains one of the most appealing and accessible introductions to the Orthodox faith.
  • Mikhail Gorbachev has died.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    You just beat me to it. Guardian report

    I remember seeing him being interviewed by Clive Anderson, where he came over as a very decent and witty man.

    RIP.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    NicoleMR wrote: »
    Mikhail Gorbachev has died.

    A great man. John 4.44 applies.
  • He had an interesting cameo in Wim Wender's "Faraway, So Close!" I would have to listen to the commentary track again to make sure, but I think they allowed him to script his own lines.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited August 2022
    TV interviews post-1989 showed Mr Gorbachev as a likeable man with a good sense of humour, and with that attractive ability to laugh at himself. So many politicians seem to lack that ability...

    He was admired abroad, but not liked quite so much at home, it seems - nevertheless, he has a well-deserved place in history as one of THE greatest statesmen ever.
  • BTW, a poignant little footnote from an article in today's Guardian:

    In one of his last interviews a few years ago, he (Gorbachev) was asked what he thought his epitaph should be. His answer was: “We tried”.

    He - and Russia - certainly tried, but O! what a disaster has overtaken them in the form of Putin...
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Indeed.
  • Bill Turnbull, from Prostate cancer first diagnosed in 2017.
    "a remarkable broadcaster who brought warmth and humour into people’s homes on BBC Breakfast and Classic FM. He was also a devoted Wycombe Wanderers fan and an ever-aspiring beekeeper."
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Barbara Ehrenreich, the author of many books on poverty and social justice (Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America) in the United States, has died at 81,

    “Poverty is not a character failing or a lack of motivation. Poverty is a shortage of money.”
  • Thanks. We have that book.
  • Uncle Jack Charles died today.

    Naidoc Info
  • It has not been a good year for notable Australians.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited September 2022
    Jean-Luc Godard

    I've seen quite a few of his films, but I don't feel like writing about cinema at the moment(*), so I'll just make one observation...

    I think he is personally responsible for the stereotype of Jerry Lewis being popular in France. There's an early interview Godard did with Dick Cavett(see YouTube), in which the director goes on an extended hymn-of-praise to Lewis, whose film Hardly Working had just bombed in America. And at one point, Cavett says something like "He's really popular in Europe, isn't he?"

    [IOW Cavett was not at that date familiar with any supposed connection between Lewis and France specifically.]

    (*) I will, for Shipmates, highly recommend Hail Mary, a Swiss Calvinist's lightly irreverent but profoundly reverent take on the Mother Of Jesus.

    Caveat...

    The film has two plot strands, narratively unconnected with one another and with no overlapping characters. To further confuse matters, Godard insisted on opening the film with a short directed by one of his mentees, also about a character named Marie/Mary. This opener is not obviously separate from the rest of the film, so you kinda have to be on the lookout for the dividing point.
  • And, before anyone jumps on me for it...

    When I say Godard is "personally responsible" for the Lewis/France idea, I don't mean it in a condemnatory way. Just that the idea probably originated from that interview. IIRC, Godard did not explicitly state the connection, but did observe that Lewis seemed unpopular in America, as exemplified by the failure of Hardly Working.
  • Ken Starr has died. Most probably only know Starr as the Independent Counsel who started investigating a failed Arkansas land deal and ended up leading the Great Penis Hunt of 1998. During that process he also produced the most pornographic report [PDF] ever issued by the federal government.

    But there was more to Starr than this one partisan witchhunt, much more. Starr helped cover up a series of sexual assaults while he was president of Baylor University. He was forced to resign in disgrace from this position after this fact became publicly known.

    Starr's last act of "public service" was serving as defense counsel during Trump's first impeachment trial where he advanced the idea that an American president* withholding money appropriated by Congress for Ukrainian military aid in order to extort personally beneficial favors from that country's president was exactly what the Framers of the Constitution intended with the separation of powers (rough paraphrase).
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Defending the indefensible?
  • the director goes on an extended hymn-of-praise to Lewis, whose film Hardly Working had just bombed in America.

    One thing Godard said about Lewis was that Lewis "is like a painter" in his visual style. I have never seen a movie directed by Jerry Lewis, nor one in which he plays a typical "Jerry Lewis" role, so I don't know what to make of that.
  • Oh, and dipping my toes a bit into the film-criticism, if you have an interest in bitter, overlong spewings of marxist bile puntcuated by some sharp satire, you could do worse than check out Godard's Weekend.
  • TheOrganistTheOrganist Shipmate
    edited September 2022
    The most recent "Voice of Rugby", Eddie Butler has died.
  • Hilary Mantel, author of Wolf Hall, has died (according to BBC website)
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Shaken that Hilary Mantel has gone, was hoping for more novels or even essays from her. Damn it.
  • Very shocked. A bona fide genius. I don't read novels, except hers.
  • AgsAgs Shipmate
    So sad to read this. Brilliant and beautiful writer. RIP.
  • Such a loss 🕯
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I confess I'm in the 0.000001% of the population who couldn't get on with Wolf Hall at all, but 70 is still too young.

    RIP Dame Hilary.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    RIP Cherry Valentine, he was only 28 :(
  • Piglet wrote: »
    I'm in the 0.000001% of the population who couldn't get on with Wolf Hall
    My arthritic hands can't cope with large books, so I 'read' Wolf Hall (and Bring Up The Bodies) on audiobook. An additional benefit was that somehow I didn't get confused, as many readers did, over who was meant each time a character was referred to just as 'he'.
    I had been a fan of Hilary Mantel's books long before the Thomas Cromwell trio.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I too was sad to see that Hilary Mantel has died. I loved the Wolf Hall trilogy, but my favourite of hers is Beyond Black, probably the most scary book I have ever read.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    ... somehow I didn't get confused, as many readers did, over who was meant each time a character was referred to just as 'he' ...
    That's exactly why I couldn't get on with it.
  • Bill Blaikie, Canadian socialist MP and icon of prairie populism and the Social Gospel, has passed away at 71. Also a United Church Of Canada minister.
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