Purgatory 2024: DNA tests for fun

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  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gee D wrote: »
    Jane R wrote: »
    Gee D wrote: »
    Yes, but he was never crowned.

    He was still king, from the moment his father died until he abdicated. Just as Edward V was king until Richard III had him declared illegitimate and usurped the throne.

    Yes. it's one of the theories of UK constitutional law that there is always someone who is monarch.

    Hence the late Sir Terry's musings of the existence of faster-than-light particles, "kingons", required to transmit kingship instantaneously at the moment of accession.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I believe that English constitutional theory had it that the monarch had two bodies, of which one body was individual and biological, and the other of which is coextensive with the realm, undying, and shared with all past and future monarchs.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Dafyd wrote: »
    I believe that English constitutional theory had it that the monarch had two bodies, of which one body was individual and biological, and the other of which is coextensive with the realm, undying, and shared with all past and future monarchs.

    That would, presumably, be what is now termed The Crown - a corporation sole by law.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Dafyd wrote: »
    I believe that English constitutional theory had it that the monarch had two bodies, of which one body was individual and biological, and the other of which is coextensive with the realm, undying, and shared with all past and future monarchs.
    I've never heard that theory. What @Arethosemyfeet refers to as a corporation sole, though, is a very familiar legal concept. The incumbent of a parish is another example.

    I don't know whether this is still the case, but there is a pub in Hayfield in Derbyshire which used to have a framed article in the bar describing how it had been bought as a vicarage sometime in the eighteenth century, but the incumbent had cleverly arranged for the conveyance to be to him "and his heirs" rather than "and his successors". As a result when he ceased to be vicar, it remained with him and his family rather than stayed with the parish.

  • Dafyd wrote: »
    I believe that English constitutional theory had it that the monarch had two bodies, of which one body was individual and biological, and the other of which is coextensive with the realm, undying, and shared with all past and future monarchs.

    There's a scholarly book on the subject, The King's Two Bodies. I almost had to use it for my dissertation (dodged a bullet there).
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Enoch wrote: »
    Dafyd wrote: »
    I believe that English constitutional theory had it that the monarch had two bodies, of which one body was individual and biological, and the other of which is coextensive with the realm, undying, and shared with all past and future monarchs.
    I've never heard that theory. What @Arethosemyfeet refers to as a corporation sole, though, is a very familiar legal concept. The incumbent of a parish is another example.

    I don't know whether this is still the case, but there is a pub in Hayfield in Derbyshire which used to have a framed article in the bar describing how it had been bought as a vicarage sometime in the eighteenth century, but the incumbent had cleverly arranged for the conveyance to be to him "and his heirs" rather than "and his successors". As a result when he ceased to be vicar, it remained with him and his family rather than stayed with the parish.

    A practice with a long enough history that it was one of the drivers for making clerical celibacy compulsory, if memory serves.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    I've never heard that theory. What @Arethosemyfeet refers to as a corporation sole, though, is a very familiar legal concept. The incumbent of a parish is another example.

    I don't know whether this is still the case, but there is a pub in Hayfield in Derbyshire which used to have a framed article in the bar describing how it had been bought as a vicarage sometime in the eighteenth century, but the incumbent had cleverly arranged for the conveyance to be to him "and his heirs" rather than "and his successors". As a result when he ceased to be vicar, it remained with him and his family rather than stayed with the parish.

    I've never heard of the theory either. Lots of corporations sole by statute, but apart from the Crown, none otherwise spring to mind.
  • Gee D wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    I've never heard that theory. What @Arethosemyfeet refers to as a corporation sole, though, is a very familiar legal concept. The incumbent of a parish is another example.
    I've never heard of the theory either. Lots of corporations sole by statute, but apart from the Crown, none otherwise spring to mind.
    Wikipedia has a list of examples of corporations sole.

    The situation reminds of the law regarding real property in the state where I live. Upon the death of the owner, title to real property vests immediately in that person’s heir(s) (if the owner died intestate) or devisees (if there is a will).

  • Interesting as this discussion is, it is drifting away from the topic of the thread.

    North East Quine, Purgatory Host
  • HelenEvaHelenEva Shipmate
    edited October 2023
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Loved the fact that a Cheddar village school teacher has matching vintage Cheddar mitochondrial DNA with 11,000 year old Cheddar Man.

    Looping back, I also have mitochondrial DNA in common with Cheddar Man. There are only about seven "mitochondrial Eves" meaning ultimate female ancestors of people in ?Europe (I don't think it was the world - I forget the details) and I happen to share mine with Cheddar Man. As do many people with their female line ancestry in the West Country. I read about the incident with the school teacher and in fact they found a number of pupils at the local school with the same mitochondrial DNA as the ancient man as well but picked on the teacher to share with the media as he was more able to cope with a media circus. They feared a sixteen year old getting induced to dress up as a cave person by the tabloids...
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Interesting as this discussion is, it is drifting away from the topic of the thread.

    North East Quine, Purgatory Host

    Noted.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    23andMe have changed their terms of service to prevent class action lawsuits and jury trials when they screw up - customers have 30 days from early December to opt out of mandatory arbitration. Two class action suits have already been filed.

    Sources:
    https://www.engadget.com/23andme-frantically-changed-its-terms-of-service-to-prevent-hacked-customers-from-suing-152434306.html
    https://www.axios.com/2023/12/07/23andme-terms-of-service-update-data-breach

    Slimy. Just so slimy.
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