I don't see why scarves should be seen as effeminate; they were my easy go-to present for David, as he always wore one in the winter. You don't need to be effeminate to want to keep your neck warm!
I don't see why scarves should be seen as effeminate; they were my easy go-to present for David, as he always wore one in the winter. You don't need to be effeminate to want to keep your neck warm!
No-one tells me how to dress - I can choose my own mud-coloured pullovers, if you please, along with my grey tracksuit bottoms, and my colourful lumberjack-style shirts...
Yes, Old Man Clothes, but who cares? I am an Old Man...
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Considering how cold it is from the Yukon all the way to Texas right now, I think a lot of men in North America really would not mind scarves right now. Just today our local university issued an advisory for anyone who goes outside for any period of time to wear face coverings--scarves. ski masks, even surgical masks to protect lungs against the cold temps.
😂 I came to the conclusion a while ago that I probably need an entire PPE outfit for meals.
Either that, or you eat in the outfit that God gave you, and then shower...
When Little Miss Feet was first starting on solids and was having something particularly messy (a chocolate mousse, say) we would put her in a large plastic tub with it wearing just a nappy and then put her in the bath after. There is also a photo of her sat in a high chair while I carry the whole assembly to the bathroom with her in it to remove the dhal covering... well, pretty much everything.
I am not, and have never been, interested in fashion or particularly bothered about how I look and over the course of my life various people, family and friends, have taken it upon themselves to be the fashion police for me. One memorable example is of Nenlet1 years ago - and I mean many years, she may even have been pre-school - when we were getting ready for an outing and she looked me up and down and said, "Are you going out like that?" I will occasionally ask her advice about outfits now, such as what to wear for the last interview I had, and nowadays she doesn't offer it unasked - either she has learned tact or she has given up on me .
Similarly, Mr Nen no longer comments in the way he used to but he did buy me a coat for my birthday as in the cold weather I'd been wearing a jacket that Nenlet2 had for a school skiing trip - warm and waterproof - and his comment when I put the new one on was, "At least you don't look like you're going skiing any more."
I've had the odd foray into discussing clothes with fashion-conscious friends, but it seldom goes well.
There have been nude dining restaurants, though they don't usually last very long. There's currently a vegan one in London. (I have no intention of ever trying any of them.)
I haven't been able to find out whether they let you have a shower before you get dressed and go home.
My mother took a lot of trouble over her appearance and it paid off: she always looked elegant and glamorous. As a child I was embarrassed by attention and hid myself in dark colours, but I did learn some useful things about how to present yourself to your best advantage when you wanted/needed to and that's stood me in good stead.
I do dress for comfort up to a point but it has to look good. There are admittedly times when I've deliberately dressed to deflect unwanted attention, but there are limits. That includes trainers. I've never got on with them - they always feel huge, heavy, restrictive and clumpy, never small, neat and light, but personal preference, etc. I'm not a follower of fashion; I'd rather have good classic clothes than the latest trend and the colours I like and feel comfortable with. You can keep the greys and mustards.
My mother was like me (or rather, I guess, I am like her) in that she was never particularly bothered about how she looked. It was a mystery to me how Nenlet1 was so fashion-conscious so young; from a very early age I could never buy clothes for her unless she was with me and she was always firm about what she wanted to wear each day. I think Mr Nen's mother was much more into clothes and appearance but I only met her once and the Nenlets never did so I don't think one can put it down to her influence or any sort of heredity. I guess the world is divided into those who are interested in clothes and appearance and those who aren't. I have some friends who are and they're always a joy to see as they're so well coordinated and put together. (Same goes for Nenlet1.)
I've been wondering lately what I would have been like if I had grown up in a family that didn't make clothes shopping a constant festival of criticism ("How horrible! Why in the world would you pick that!" and other such). Also one where my mother had actually taken the time to teach me basic grooming, makeup, and selfcare, rather than leaving me to figure it out from the air.
I think I might have enjoyed it. But it's going to be a lot longer in therapy before I can get there now.
I don't see why scarves should be seen as effeminate; they were my easy go-to present for David, as he always wore one in the winter. You don't need to be effeminate to want to keep your neck warm!
I've worn scarves in winter for decades now. Essential for standing on the station in the morning waiting for the 6.23. Never thought of them as being effeminate.
Well, the Arctic Cold is moving on, thank God. Our heating bill has certainly taken a hit, though,
Wife and I have spent these long cold nights watching NBC's Suits, the one which had a young woman by the name of Meghan Merkle as supporting actress. Basically, it's premise is if one wants to be a high-powered lawyer, one must wear certain types w of clothing. It appears more important than having a certain law degree.
We just watched where one of the lawyers had become a senior partner. He had previously told a secretary of one of the other senior partners if he ever joined their ranks, he would wear an Armoni suit. He does, but the suit is way out of style.
If you have access to NBC Peacock streaming service, I highly recommend watching it.
When I was a young lawyer I worked for a firm which had a strict dress code. Business suit with knee length skirt, or a dress with matching jacket. Low heeled court shoes. Trousers were forbidden. I had a couple of Marks & Spencer suits and blouses but we were supposed to have a least one with a posh label. I can't remember where my "good" suit came from.
Junior lawyers weren't allowed to be rude to clients, which meant that at social events female staff were supposed to smile and extricate themselves politely if they were hit on. My social event outfit was a plain navy Laura Ashley dress, mid calf, modest neckline, puffed sleeves. I teamed this with a large navy silk bow in my hair. I'm sure I looked ridiculous, but I didn't look remotely sexy, and "not remotely sexy" was the look I was aiming for.
I recall 40+ years ago as a very junior doctor when a consultant ( pinstripe suit etc) had a go at me about my “alternative” attire ( white coat over dress rather than scrubs which are a la mode these days). I suggested that he take me to the frock shop down on the Pacific Highway ( a dead givesway for Sydneysiders) and shout ( purchase for) me an outfit that he deemed suitable. He shut up like a book and I was not re-employed the next year thank God. I did get a job across the other side of the Harbour Bridge the next year & never looked back.
I used to have a nice Laura Ashley dress in navy blue with a small white floral pattern, that had buttons all the way from the neck to the hem. Men were quite intrigued by it as I recall.
I used to have a nice Laura Ashley dress in navy blue with a small white floral pattern, that had buttons all the way from the neck to the hem. Men were quite intrigued by it as I recall.
For some reason, this reminds me of the character in Deep Space Nine, Jadzia Dax, who (as a Trill) had markings - looking like large freckles - all the way down the sides of her body, from the temples to the heels.
She was played by the actor Terry Farrell, who, AIUI, did not actually have the markings...
I used to have a nice Laura Ashley dress in navy blue with a small white floral pattern, that had buttons all the way from the neck to the hem. Men were quite intrigued by it as I recall.
Well, you see, the thing about buttons is that they contain within them the idea of undoing the buttons...
I used to have a nice Laura Ashley dress in navy blue with a small white floral pattern, that had buttons all the way from the neck to the hem. Men were quite intrigued by it as I recall.
Well, you see, the thing about buttons is that they contain within them the idea of undoing the buttons...
Quite so, but TIACW, so I refrained from comment...
Various people have, in the past, asked if Jadzia Dax's bare legs (with markings) were ever seen on DS9, and the answer is Yes. Here she is, with Lt. Worf:
I practically lived in Laura Ashley dresses in the 1990s; I'd decide which of the incoming season's ones I fancied, and wait until they were reduced in the sales to buy them. They lasted for ever*, and refused to go out of fashion, and I loved them.
I did, however, attend two weddings, in two different dresses, and at both there was another guest with the same dress. We laughed about it, commended each other on our exquisite taste, and at one had our photo taken together.
* well, until my middle aged spread did too much spreading ...
I had a pretty Laura Ashley dress with a pattern of small lilac and blue flowers on a white background. It had a matching hat - a straw hat with a band of the same material. I bought it to wear to my brother's wedding, got a second wedding out of it, and then continued to wear the dress without the hat a lot afterwards. It had buttons down the front of the bodice, which was handy because I was breast-feeding the Loon at the time.
But my plain navy Laura Ashley was bought because I hoped it would make me unnoticeable.
I had several Laura Ashleys, all secondhand, in the 90s. Loved them. But gave them to charity shops eventually when my tastes changed. Now I sort of wish I'd kept them, but there's no way I'd ever fit into them now.
I still wear vintage Laura Ashley dresses, especially brushed wool/cotton ones with baggy jumpers and boots. When my husband first met me in the late 1990s I was wearing vintage Laura Ashley, docs and a leather bikers jacket!
I had hopes of Cult Vintage, a vintage shop in Hereford - I bought a number of lovely blouses from them - but sadly, the last time I went into Hereford they'd closed down with no forwarding address.
@KarlLB - If you are a man above a certain age (as I am), no-one cares what you look like
Oh, men do get told we’re not supposed to wear various bathing suits or spandex or the like. There’s the homophobic straight guys who don’t want to see guys in anything tight or revealing, and the snobby gay guys who don’t want to see older or fatter guys in anything tight or revealing. I’m very much on the “wear whatever the hell you want” side, myself.
If they're actually straight it wouldn't bother them. I'm going for "taking tea with Mr Tumnus".
I get the reference to Mr. Tumnus (huge Lewis/Narnia fan) but I’m not getting how that relates?
I am now imagining Mr. Tumnus in either spandex or a speedo. I imagine that wouldn’t be comfortable with all the fur though.
Sorry, it was a reference to the old joke about being so far into the closet that they're shaking hands with Mr Tumnus; closet being (more or less) a wardrobe.
I used to wear Spandex while swimming. Not anymore. But, while we are on Spandex, let's not forget bicycle gear. Seems like if you want to be identified as elite, or at least hard core, you have to wear Spandex.
On the other hand, if you want to be known as a iron butt (slang for long distance motorcyclist) you need to have a certain dresser (slang for motorcycle accessories).
Well with the dresser for motorcycle accessories, it is for warmth and safety as well as style. Indeed however there is a difference in style between sport bike riders and Harley riders.
Sorry, it was a reference to the old joke about being so far into the closet that they're shaking hands with Mr Tumnus; closet being (more or less) a wardrobe.
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They might be thinking more of cravats.
Yes, Old Man Clothes, but who cares? I am an Old Man...
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But it does mean that I can't wear a yellow top unless I'm planning to have fried eggs, which I don't often do.
Custard?
A la Hercule Poirot …
Either that, or you eat in the outfit that God gave you, and then shower...
When Little Miss Feet was first starting on solids and was having something particularly messy (a chocolate mousse, say) we would put her in a large plastic tub with it wearing just a nappy and then put her in the bath after. There is also a photo of her sat in a high chair while I carry the whole assembly to the bathroom with her in it to remove the dhal covering... well, pretty much everything.
Similarly, Mr Nen no longer comments in the way he used to but he did buy me a coat for my birthday as in the cold weather I'd been wearing a jacket that Nenlet2 had for a school skiing trip - warm and waterproof - and his comment when I put the new one on was, "At least you don't look like you're going skiing any more."
I've had the odd foray into discussing clothes with fashion-conscious friends, but it seldom goes well.
My sentiments exactly.
Certainly there are many people out there who think so.
That's no good - she'll get (a) cold; and (b) chucked out of the restaurant.
I haven't been able to find out whether they let you have a shower before you get dressed and go home.
I do dress for comfort up to a point but it has to look good. There are admittedly times when I've deliberately dressed to deflect unwanted attention, but there are limits. That includes trainers. I've never got on with them - they always feel huge, heavy, restrictive and clumpy, never small, neat and light, but personal preference, etc. I'm not a follower of fashion; I'd rather have good classic clothes than the latest trend and the colours I like and feel comfortable with. You can keep the greys and mustards.
I think I might have enjoyed it. But it's going to be a lot longer in therapy before I can get there now.
I've worn scarves in winter for decades now. Essential for standing on the station in the morning waiting for the 6.23. Never thought of them as being effeminate.
Wife and I have spent these long cold nights watching NBC's Suits, the one which had a young woman by the name of Meghan Merkle as supporting actress. Basically, it's premise is if one wants to be a high-powered lawyer, one must wear certain types w of clothing. It appears more important than having a certain law degree.
We just watched where one of the lawyers had become a senior partner. He had previously told a secretary of one of the other senior partners if he ever joined their ranks, he would wear an Armoni suit. He does, but the suit is way out of style.
If you have access to NBC Peacock streaming service, I highly recommend watching it.
Junior lawyers weren't allowed to be rude to clients, which meant that at social events female staff were supposed to smile and extricate themselves politely if they were hit on. My social event outfit was a plain navy Laura Ashley dress, mid calf, modest neckline, puffed sleeves. I teamed this with a large navy silk bow in my hair. I'm sure I looked ridiculous, but I didn't look remotely sexy, and "not remotely sexy" was the look I was aiming for.
I recall 40+ years ago as a very junior doctor when a consultant ( pinstripe suit etc) had a go at me about my “alternative” attire ( white coat over dress rather than scrubs which are a la mode these days). I suggested that he take me to the frock shop down on the Pacific Highway ( a dead givesway for Sydneysiders) and shout ( purchase for) me an outfit that he deemed suitable. He shut up like a book and I was not re-employed the next year thank God. I did get a job across the other side of the Harbour Bridge the next year & never looked back.
For some reason, this reminds me of the character in Deep Space Nine, Jadzia Dax, who (as a Trill) had markings - looking like large freckles - all the way down the sides of her body, from the temples to the heels.
She was played by the actor Terry Farrell, who, AIUI, did not actually have the markings...
Yes, I need to get out more...
Well, you see, the thing about buttons is that they contain within them the idea of undoing the buttons...
Quite so, but TIACW, so I refrained from comment...
Various people have, in the past, asked if Jadzia Dax's bare legs (with markings) were ever seen on DS9, and the answer is Yes. Here she is, with Lt. Worf:
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/daxs-spots-the-trek-bbs--294282156911971467/
I really, really, need to get out more...
I did, however, attend two weddings, in two different dresses, and at both there was another guest with the same dress. We laughed about it, commended each other on our exquisite taste, and at one had our photo taken together.
* well, until my middle aged spread did too much spreading ...
But my plain navy Laura Ashley was bought because I hoped it would make me unnoticeable.
That’s “vintage” for you.
“There’s a dead bishop on the landing!”
—-Monty Python
Oh, men do get told we’re not supposed to wear various bathing suits or spandex or the like. There’s the homophobic straight guys who don’t want to see guys in anything tight or revealing, and the snobby gay guys who don’t want to see older or fatter guys in anything tight or revealing. I’m very much on the “wear whatever the hell you want” side, myself.
If they're actually straight it wouldn't bother them. I'm going for "taking tea with Mr Tumnus".
I get the reference to Mr. Tumnus (huge Lewis/Narnia fan) but I’m not getting how that relates?
I am now imagining Mr. Tumnus in either spandex or a speedo. I imagine that wouldn’t be comfortable with all the fur though.
Sorry, it was a reference to the old joke about being so far into the closet that they're shaking hands with Mr Tumnus; closet being (more or less) a wardrobe.
On the other hand, if you want to be known as a iron butt (slang for long distance motorcyclist) you need to have a certain dresser (slang for motorcycle accessories).
You wear what you are in some circles.
ROTFL!!