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Ship of Fools: Holy Trinity, Sloane Square, Chelsea, London

The Mystery WorshipperThe Mystery Worshipper Shipmate
edited March 26 in The Mystery Worshipper

imageShip of Fools: Holy Trinity, Sloane Square, Chelsea, London

Rose-coloured vestments, a fine sermon, and a crying baby on Mothering Sunday in Chelsea

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  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited March 26
    My wife and I love Kodaly's music. I sang - many years ago when still at school - in a performance of his "Budavari Te Deum". Someone wrote to tell him and received a very cordial reply. His flat in Budapest is well worth a visit, as is the small museum at the Conservatoire in Kecskemet. He and Bartok were pioneers in collecting folk music and IMHO were better than RVW and Cecil Sharp at writing down the music "as performed" rather than trying to squeeze it into standard notation.
  • MarsupialMarsupial Shipmate
    The Missa Brevis is great music, though challenging and I’m surprised they managed to pull it off with just seven people - even though professionals I assume. I sang it once in concert as a choirboy and during the first movement (organ introit) a bat flew out of the organ. Appropriate for the overall atmosphere of the piece…
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    I thought, and still think, that Miriam was Moses's sister, not his mother, either actually or by adoption. Moses's mother is generally named as Jochebed.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Yeah, I’m not sure where that came from. Exodus is clear that Miriam was Moses’s older sister, that Pharaoh’s daughter was Moses’s adoptive mother, and that Moses’s birth mother—indeed named Jochebed—served as his nursemaid.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited April 4
    I expect you've all noticed the architectural similarities between HT, Sloane Square, and HT, Toronto.

    I was reminded of another London HT church, now undergoing rehabilitation after years of decline:

    https://londonchurchbuildings.com/2013/02/06/holy-trinity-cloudesley-square-islington-celestial-church-of-christ/

    One part of my peculiar mind wants to see the towers labelled *Salt* and *Pepper*...

  • Catholic MaxCatholic Max Shipmate
    Don't forget Holy Trinity in St Jude's Bristol (Now Trinity Arts Centre)!
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Yes, indeed - another Cruet Set!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Centre
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Mustn't derail the thread, but these various Holy Trinities were all built at around the same time, to a then-popular style, and I'm told that dedication to the Holy Trinity (rather than a popish saint, say) was also common in those days.
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Belief in the Holy Trinity is also a popish thing.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    Belief in the Holy Trinity is also a popish thing.

    Ah, but we do seem to prefer "our Lady of the Bucket" to dedications to God - Jesus's body parts excepted (Sacred Heart) - or ancient saints.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited April 14
    Alan29 wrote: »
    Forthview wrote: »
    Belief in the Holy Trinity is also a popish thing.

    Ah, but we do seem to prefer "our Lady of the Bucket" to dedications to God - Jesus's body parts excepted (Sacred Heart) - or ancient saints.

    My point exactly. Ancient saints weren't favoured for Anglican dedications prior to the 19thC revivals, it seems - too Roman...
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    Belief in the Holy Trinity is also a popish thing.
    But not distinctively popish. :wink:

    In these parts, the large majority of Episcopal churches that are named for/dedicated to saints use biblical saints—normally an apostle or evangelist.

  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Within the city of Edinburgh there are 21 Episcopal/Anglican churches and 27 Roman Catholic churches.
    Of these 11 churches of both denominations share the same dedication e.g. Holy Cross episcopal and Holy Cross RC
    7 Episcopal and 9 RC churches have dedications to Scottish saints e.g. St Mungo and St Kentigern
    7 of the 27 RC churches have dedications which might be considered as 'popish'
    St Albert the Great,St Catherine of Siena,St Gregory the Great,St John Ogilvie,St Margaret Mary,Sacred Heart and St Theresa of Lisieux.
    Although probably 'popish' St Catherine of Siena stems from the name of the ;last convent founded in Edinburgh before the Reformation and as well as the church remains in the name of two districts of Edinburgh Sciennes and Gracemount
  • Orange OnelOrange Onel Shipmate Posts: 8
    The Holy Trinity is not a Popish thing, but this Church definitely is. A disgrace to the Church of England and the Reformation.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    That sounds like you're showing disrespect to other followers of Christ, specifically those in more Catholic traditions. I know some members continuing to chat after the service has started, even after the request for silence prior to the start, is a disgrace. However, it seems a bit much to condemn the whole of post-Reformation churches over even though in my experience is far too common.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    [Hostly cotta on]

    Please avoid using words like “popish” or other terms that are disrespectful to other traditions from your own

    Spike
    MW Host
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Just popping to apologise for my use of the p-word - it was intended to wryly reflect the anti-Rome attitude of the C of E at the time many of these churches were built i.e. the first quarter of the 19thC. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear earlier, as it certainly wasn't meant to be derogatory.

    There are lots of Holy Trinities and Christ Churches dating from this period in this part of the UK, the St Barnabases, St Augustines etc. coming later, once the revivals were under way!
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