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The Far Right on the rise in Germany

The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
in Purgatory
As France continues to teeter, news from Germany is interesting, if not worrying.

After voting closed on Sunday, the AfD was projected to become the strongest party in the eastern state of Thuringia, with 32.8% of the vote, and to come a close second in Saxony, with 30.6% of the vote.

What are your thought?
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  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    "The lamps are going out all over Europe". :(
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited September 2024
    The signs and the planets are lining up like before

    (Al Stewart, Rumours of War)
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited September 2024
    I find the slow motion rerun of the 1930s incredibly depressing, and this captures something of my emotional reaction when I hear each stacking bit of news.
  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    Yes, I find it depressing, a rerun of fascism, FFS, couldn't people find another trauma to go through. It also makes me feel powerless, what can be done? Rhetorical question, one thing is to vote against it, which Brits have done, and hopefully US soon.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Well to be fair, once it got to the second round in France, the majority of us did vote for quite literally anyone but the fash. Seriously, we looked at the voting bulletins, and went "I don't care who you are, or what policies you are proposing, you pass the extremely low bar of not being a fascist, and that's good enough."

    Not that we agree on anything else except not wanting the fash in charge, which is what has led to the current political quagmire.

    (I note that we do now have a Prime Minister. How long he'll last is anyone's guess.)
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    In politics, the pendulum swings both ways. There is a lot of turmoil in Europe, with a war going on in the backyard, mass immigration, energy crisis, and economic uncertainty. People do tend to become more conservative in these times. Plus Russian, Chinese, and Iranian propaganda is stirring the mix.

    As pointed out, France is stepping back, the United Kingdom as also moved left, The Italian far right is struggling. Spain seems to be a toss up.

    I think a crucial election will be the American election. But I am hopeful there.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited September 2024
    A much larger problem is the failure of centrist politics to deliver on economic growth and rising living standards across the lower half of the population, especially post 2008.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    The right-wing (and in some cases neo-fascist) media don't exactly help, IYSWIM.

    Incidentally, I read today that the new French PM, M Barnier, came to know our new PM quite well during the Brexit negotiations, and has a high regard for him. I daresay the feeling is mutual.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    At least in late Weimar Germany, the NSDAP had a strong KPD opposing them. The believe by the mainstream conservative parties that they could control Hitler, helped to make January 30, 1933 a day that will go down in infamy.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    And the Zentrum too, yes?
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    Ja. They were Centrist in name only.
  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    At least in late Weimar Germany, the NSDAP had a strong KPD opposing them. The believe by the mainstream conservative parties that they could control Hitler, helped to make January 30, 1933 a day that will go down in infamy.

    Yeah, but Stalin was hostile to the Social Dems, which split the left.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    I heard today. on the People's news channel, that Germany is thinking of sending people to Rwanda. I suspect they would just ignore the ECHR if that's what they decide
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 2024
    Telford wrote: »
    I heard today. on the People's news channel, that Germany is thinking of sending people to Rwanda. I suspect they would just ignore the ECHR if that's what they decide

    They are indeed considering it, but it would be supervised by the UN:

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/germany-rwanda-migrants/

    The report from LBC explains Germany's reasoning behind the proposal FWIW.
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