If Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Madame Guyon etc were Shipmates

Gamma Gamaliel

This may be for The Circus ...

Over in Purgatory, @Pease suggested that Luther would be suspended if he posted on these boards.

This got me thinking.

What would his posts look like?
Or Calvin's? Bunyan's. Dame Julian's of Norwich?

Luther Dumbkopf! That sounds Papist! The Pope speaks out from where he ...

Bunyan (as an Admin) Verily, this thread becometh less Purgatorial. I am sending it up to Heaven and the trumpets shall sound for it on the other side.

Calvin I knew you were going to post that ...

Aimee Semple MacPherson Shandra-gandera-ba-na-na!

Savanorola Vanity! Pass it here and I'll bob it on the bonfire.

George Fox

Anna_Baptist

Whereas Luther would be happy to post in Heaven, he wouldn't believe that Purgatory existed

Gramps49

I would think many of Luther's comments would be in Hell. https://www.churchpop.com/29-of-martin-luthers-most-hiliariously-over-the-top-insults/#:~:text=Well he certainly had a way

Gamma Gamaliel

Well yes, which was partly the point I was making ...

What I was rather hoping for was some more Ship-like bon-mots attributed to figures from church history.

John Wesley My key-pad was strangely warmed.

Dame Julian of Norwich And I shewed our sweet Lord the post that had been made. And he loved it.

Meanwhile, was it the idea of Purgatory itself that Luther had an issue with or the hustling for money to pray souls out of it?

I've an idea that it wasn't abandoned straight-away but I might be wrong. That's a Purgatorial point though, so back to Heaven.

General William Booth Why should the Devil have all the good Admins?

Origen This blade's a bit blunt. Bear with me while I get a sharper one ...

(Sorry, that's not Heavenly)

Gramps49

@Gamma Gamaliel wrote

Meanwhile, was it the idea of Purgatory itself that Luther had an issue with or the hustling for money to pray souls out of it?

Luther pretty well abandoned the concept of Purgatory when he spoke up against indulgences. If any thing, Luther believed in a soul sleep until the time of the Resurrection.

Lamb Chopped

What authority do you have for the soul sleep thing? I've never heard that.

pease

Lamb Chopped wrote: »

What authority do you have for the soul sleep thing? I've never heard that.

"Soul sleep" appears to be (or have been) a pejorative term, often critically applied to Luther (and others). Mortalism appears to be a more neutral term. Lots of references to Luther on the wikipedia page, including one which I think implies that LCMS rejects the idea:

As such, Lutheran churches in the Missouri Synod affirm that "The Confessions rule out the contemporary view that death is a pleasant and painless transition into a perfect world" and reject both the ideas that "the soul is by nature and by virtue of an inherent quality immortal" and that "the soul 'sleeps' between death and the resurrection in such a way that it is not conscious of bliss".

Also this footnote from St Louis:

Nevertheless, there is a difference between the sleep or rest of this life and that of the future life. For toward night a person who has become exhausted by his daily labor in this life enters into his chamber in peace, as it were, to sleep there; and during this night he enjoys rest and has no knowledge whatever of any evil caused either by fire or by murder. But the soul does not sleep in the same manner. It is awake. It experiences visions and the discourses of the angels and of God. Therefore the sleep in the future life is deeper than it is in this life. Nevertheless, the soul lives before God.

Both of which appear to suggest that Luther's position was more nuanced than "soul sleep".

Luther apparently referred to it 125 times in his writings - another footnote, both here and here from Truth According to Scripture:

In his Master of Arts thesis (1946), "A Study of Martin Luther's Teaching Concerning the State of the Dead," T. N. Ketola, tabulating Luther's references to death as a sleep—as found in Luther's Sammtliche Schriften, Walch's Concordia, 1904 ed.—lists 125 specific Luther references to death as a sleep. Ketola cites another smaller group of references showing Luther believed in the periodic consciousness of some. But the main point is that, while the dead live, they are unconscious—which is stated some seven times.

Gamma Gamaliel

Goodness me!

I don't want to pre-empt hostly or admin intervention but this has become quite Purgatorial.

I was out to have a bit of a laff imagining how various theologians, evangelists and mystics might post here.

I'd be happy to follow a debate about Luther's views on the after-life though, as that's not something I know much about.

chrisstiles

Gamma Gamaliel wrote: »

Luther Dumbkopf! That sounds Papist! The Pope speaks out from where he ...

Luther was banned very quickly, because of his flow of scatalogical imagery and habit of posting links to unflattering cartoons of various members of the forums he had a beef with.

Luther was basically the original poster.

chrisstiles

Gamma Gamaliel wrote: »

Aimee Semple MacPherson Shandra-gandera-ba-na-na!

Used to have a prophetic youtube channel, has now moved to Rumble after her Covid Skeptic videos were taken down.

Trudy

Indeed, the Heavenly Host has descended to say that any discussion of what various theologians believed or taught should go to Purgatory. Light-hearted imaginings about how they might have behaved online, belong here on this thread.

Trudy, Heaven Host

Jengie Jon

As to Calvin he is more likely to have at the end of his posts

As Augustine said.

The_Riv

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