Favorite Fictional Religions?

I'm curious if anyone is as interested in fictional religions as I am. I would define a fictional religion as any religion (or significant mutation/amalgamation of one or more existing religions) that exists in a work of fiction that does not exist in the real world and that is not an allegory or narrative basis for a real world religion that the author intends to promote (like the allegorical version of Christianity in the Narnia novels, or like Scientology, which grew out of Hubbard's science fiction).

I also suppose a distinction should be made between fictional religions, where the veracity of the religion is to some extent in doubt in the fictional world, and fictional deities/supernatural beings that the narrative assumes or demonstrates are very real (such as in Tolkien's work), but that some fictional characters might doubt will ever return or become a threat. I'm more interested in fictional religion that fictional people need to take some kind of leap of faith to believe in, and that may have to contend with competing belief systems (although the question of what a religion is might muddy this distinction - what about secular, science-based "religions" found in some sci-fi and fantasy?).

The most famous fictional religions I can think of are those from Dune (although the Bene Gesserit do not believe in the religions they proselytize in the same way that their flock do) and in Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire, where some characters are fierce, even fanatical, believers of their religions and some are not.

What other examples can people think of and why do you like them? What do they make you think about religion, including your own (or your lack of one), and about humanity (or sentient life, I suppose) in general?

If you have your own imaginary religions that you don't believe in but thought "wouldn't it be interesting (if not necessarily pleasant) if this existed?" (I certainly have thought of a few of these), feel free to share them, but if you want to save them to be part of your own published work, I certainly understand!

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  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Depends what you mean by allegory, but I found the competing religions of the Stone and the Word in the Duncton Wood books interesting. The neo-animism (if that's the best way to describe it, possibly a form of pantheism) in KSR's Mars trilogy is a thoughtful extrapolation of some of the spiritual-but-not-religious end of things.

    Dwarfish spirituality in Pratchett's Discworld explores how even a non-interventionist creator who demands no belief, worship or attention can still form the basis of religious/racial fanaticism. "Tak does not require that we think of him, only that we think".
  • AravisAravis Shipmate
    The first one that comes to mind is Watership Down, with El-Hrair-Rah* as a sort of combination of Brer Rabbit, Loki and Jesus, a god of death (the Black Rabbit of Inle) and Frith the sun god. And a wonderful passage at the end where Hazel listens to the new baby rabbits being told his own life story as part of the myth.

    Another favourite is the Martian religion in “The Fire Balloons”, in Ray Bradbury’s “The Martian Chronicles”, though I don’t think that story is included in all editions. That is a rather interesting story of a priest trying to work out how to make worship accessible to the Martians but discovering that, being disembodied, they have fewer opportunities for sin and are closer to God than he is.

    *I think that’s the correct spelling, but I can’t check my copy at the moment
  • Yes, I found the religious element in Watership Down quite appealing - it all made sense, IYSWIM.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    Lois McMaster Bujold's 5 Gods... the Mother, the Father, the Daughter, the Son, and the Bastard. The Bastard is the son of the Mother by her demonic lover, and the god of everything and everyone that doesn't fit neatly into the other four gods spheres of influence. It's very compelling and well drawn out in three novels and fourteen I think novellas and short stories.
  • NicoleMR wrote: »
    Lois McMaster Bujold's 5 Gods... the Mother, the Father, the Daughter, the Son, and the Bastard. The Bastard is the son of the Mother by her demonic lover, and the god of everything and everyone that doesn't fit neatly into the other four gods spheres of influence. It's very compelling and well drawn out in three novels and fourteen I think novellas and short stories.

    Strictly speaking there are multiple stories about the origin of the Bastard and debates about whether he is even a god (Quadrenes believe he isn't, Quintarians believe he is though even they mostly try to avoid getting his attention).

    “Beloved, god-touched, great-souled… a saint, even? The true sort, who moved through the world as silently as fishes, unnoticed by carnal eyes that focused only on outward domination and display. Never on a small woman in a small town, being kind. Soul by soul.”
  • GarasuGarasu Shipmate
    Joy Chant's Red moon and black mountain has "Nadiv the Great Mother, Ja'nanh the King of Heaven, Ir'nanh the Dancing Boy, Keriol Hornblower, Marenkalion whom they regarded as Li'vanh's patron, and Avenel, Goddess of the Silver Moon; but whenever they just said 'the God', they meant Kem'nanh...". In her When Voiha wakes, she echoes the pantheon but in the context of a matriarchal society so it's not an exact duplicate. So there's a sense that the gods are real but perceptions of them may vary widely.

    Ursula Le Guin has multiple religious systems in different books and in different societies in the same book. In The left hand of darkness there is the Handdara, "a religion without institution, without priests, without hierarchy, without vows, without creed. I am still unable to say whether is has a god or not... It was an introverted life, self-sufficient, stagnant, steeped in that singular 'ignorance' prized by the Handdarata and obedient to their rule of inactivity or non-interference (expressed in the word nusuth, which I have to translate as 'no matter') is the heart of the cult, and I don't pretend to understand it...". Her later book The telling is very much about the clash of religions. Always coming home gives us considerable detail about the spiritual life of the Kesh and again the contrast with the more definitive (but less viewed) religion of the Condor folk.

    One I rather like, although we get relatively little sense of the religious life, is from Susan Dexter's The ring of Allaire: "In other lands, folk worshipped things as diverse as serpents and trees and the great sun itself. But in Calandra, and for her, there was only the Word that began it all, and the Twenty Original Grimoires of the mages' dissertations upon that Word. It was not quite a religion, the way the world reckoned such things. The wizards and mages were not quite priests, and what might otherwise have passed for temples were often nothing more than thatched huts, devoted as much to all forms of life and learning as to magic. No, not quite a religion. Only life itself, to the wizards...".

    In Diana Wynne Jones Power of three, "The Old Power lies behind the moon and is the Power of death, darkness and secrets. To it belong sufferings and old wrongs... The Middle Power lies behind the sun... It is a fierce Power, of light and life and the present time. And that is the Power which asks most for blood, as all living things need to feed. But it is not unappeasable. It is life, and I do not think it asks for death. As to the New Power, which lies behind the Earth... it is the Power of birth, growth and future time, and the nature of the sacrifice it asks might be different from the others." Quite separately, the gods come on stage in Dogsbody in the form of various stars and the Moon and Earth (and the children of Earth!).

    I must stop because this post is already way too long!
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Gosh, someone else who's read Joy Chant! I remember being totally immersed in Red Moon and Black Mountain - and the idea that the evil god was also very beautiful made a powerful impression on me as a teenager.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    I like T. Kingfisher's Temple of the White Rat. The Rat is a very practical god.

    Bujold's Five Gods are a close second.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    I assume we are ruling out Narnia and LOTR as essentially Christian.How about "Out of the Silent Planet" and its sequels by Lewis?
  • TrudyTrudy Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I like the three main religions in Guy Gavriel Kay's novels (The Lions of Al-Rassan, The Sarantine Mosaic, and several others) which are set in a fantasy world that is a very close but not exact parallel to our world (similar history, but more magic). That world's major religions are analogues of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, but I would say they escape the restrictions laid out in @stonespring 's OP because they are not allegories of real-world religions that the author intends to promote, but rather the author's attempt to imagine a world in which three religions interact with each other in similar ways to how the three Abrahamic religions interact in our world.

    In this world, the worship of Jad, the sun-god, holds a position analogous to that of Christianity in our world; there is also a heretical and eventually banned sect of Jaddite worship in which Jad has a human son named Helidikos, who dies sacrificially to save humanity. The Asharites spring up as followers of a desert nomad who has a vision of the stars, and pose as a threat to Jaddite domination of the known world much as Islam did to Christianity. And the Kindath, who worship that world's two moons as sister-goddesses, live much as Jews did in medieval Europe and the Middle East, people without a homeland, perpetually on the margins of both Jaddite and Asharite societies, and subject to frequent persecution.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Another favourite is the Martian religion in “The Fire Balloons”, in Ray Bradbury’s “The Martian Chronicles”, though I don’t think that story is included in all editions. That is a rather interesting story of a priest trying to work out how to make worship accessible to the Martians but discovering that, being disembodied, they have fewer opportunities for sin and are closer to God than he is.

    Ray Bradbury's depictions of Mars are completely inconsistent from one story to another, which led to some confusion when I read The Martian Chronicles as a kid, as my default assumption(likely bolstered by the fact the book had been made into a uni-narrative miniseries) was to assume it was a novel, rather than a collection of standalone stories.

    With that observation as background, I'll note that Bradbury also wrote a story(*) in which astronauts visiting Mars discover that Jesus himself is there, preaching the same gospel as he preached on Earth The implications of this scenario rather contradict the ones in the scenario you mention.

    (*) I believe this one was anthologized in The Illustrated Man.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 16
    More of an observation than an appreciation, but..

    I don't read a lot of fictional prose, but I do watch a lot of fictional cinema, and taking my experiences with both into account:

    It occurs to me that most portrayals of fictional religions I've seen are highly negative, with a heavy preponderance of murderous fertility cults somehow still surviving in spooky rural areas, eg. The Lottery, The Wicker Man, Children Of The Corn etc.

    I suspect that long novels lend themselves to a more detailed and balanced portrayal of religions, whereas short stories and movies, both for different reasons, work better with simplistic shock themes. And fertility cults are easy to fit into a genre-friendly rustic region.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    edited October 16
    HarryCH wrote: »
    I assume we are ruling out Narnia and LOTR as essentially Christian.How about "Out of the Silent Planet" and its sequels by Lewis?

    I’m not sure the knowledge of Maleldil (God) that the various races have counts as a different religion per se than Christianity. For that matter, I’m not sure it counts as a religion in the usual sense—they just know and know about Him.

    Spoilers!
    Especially as they’re basically unfallen.
  • My vote goes to the 'Great Pumpkin'.
  • GarasuGarasu Shipmate
    Jane R wrote: »
    I like T. Kingfisher's Temple of the White Rat. The Rat is a very practical god.

    "We're a mystery religion for people who have no time for mysteries."

  • RockyRoger wrote: »
    My vote goes to the 'Great Pumpkin'.

    Mine too - except that The Great Pumpkin isn't fictional...

    I say that in all sincerity.
  • Ah, but the Great Pumpkin is not a religion, any more than Santa Claus is.


    On second thought . . . .


  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    Belief in Santa Claus can be regarded as a practice religion.
  • As can belief in The Great Pumpkin.
    :wink:
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    I still say the Five Gods, but the White Rat is a good choice too.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Ah, but the Great Pumpkin is not a religion, any more than Santa Claus is.


    On second thought . . . .


    Heresy!
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 16
    As can belief in The Great Pumpkin.
    :wink:

    This all brings me back to my previous post, and wondering if things like witches' covens as portrayed in art and literature count as fictional religions, or if it has to be something which roughly parallels the way religions are actually practiced in real-life.

    re: Santa Claus, while he certainly has god-like qualities, the fact that only young children believe in him and are expected to stop upon reaching a certain age probably disqualifies his following from being a religion per se. Same with the Great Pumpkin, if his cult itself wasn't fictional.
  • And of course there is a real, and revered, Saint Nicholas, who is indeed the patron saint of children, among other things.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    stetson wrote: »
    re: Santa Claus, while he certainly has god-like qualities, the fact that only young children believe in him...

    What??? :cry:

  • jedijudy wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    re: Santa Claus, while he certainly has god-like qualities, the fact that only young children believe in him...

    What??? :cry:
    Indeed! I believe in Santa Claus. I have embodied Santa Claus.

  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    We also were encouraged to behave ourselves with the threat of Belsnickel putting coal in our stockings. I believe!
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    edited October 16
    Harlan Ellison's I Am Looking for Kadak gives sneak views into many fictional religions.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    The god Om in Terry Pratchett's Small Gods.

    Brilliant.
    Small Gods is the thirteenth of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, published in 1992. It tells the origin of the god Om, and his relations with his prophet, the reformer Brutha. In the process, it satirises philosophy, religious institutions, people, and practices, and the role of religion in political life
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited October 16
    I quite like the crooked warden, the nameless thirteenth, father of necessary pretexts in the Locke Lamorra books.
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    The god Om in Terry Pratchett's Small Gods.

    Brilliant.
    Small Gods is the thirteenth of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, published in 1992. It tells the origin of the god Om, and his relations with his prophet, the reformer Brutha. In the process, it satirises philosophy, religious institutions, people, and practices, and the role of religion in political life


    I have a fondness for Anoia, the Goddess of Things That Get Stuck In Drawers.

  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited October 16
    I am reminded of Bilious, the Oh God of Hangovers in the Hogfather.
  • Sorry if I confused people with the whole no allegories of a real world religion the author intends to promote. The only work I can think of that this covers are the Narnia books, and I haven’t read any of Lewis’ other fiction so I can’t comment on it.

    I don’t think the supernatural beings in Lord of the Rings were intended by Tolkien as an allegory to promote Christianity, but I don’t really see the LOTR books as having a religion in the sense I wanted to discuss because, as far as I know, there is no need in them for anyone to have faith in the Ainur, Valar, etc, because everyone knows they exist - they may just disagree about whether Sauron or anyone else is a threat and how much power humans and other beings can and should claim relative to those powerful beings.

    Are there any fictional religions set in this world or a future version of this world that people like?

  • I don’t think the supernatural beings in Lord of the Rings were intended by Tolkien as an allegory to promote Christianity, but I don’t really see the LOTR books as having a religion in the sense I wanted to discuss because, as far as I know, there is no need in them for anyone to have faith in the Ainur, Valar, etc, because everyone knows they exist - they may just disagree about whether Sauron or anyone else is a threat and how much power humans and other beings can and should claim relative to those powerful beings.
    Tolkien was very clear that he disliked allegory and also very clear that he intended LOTR and his wider mythology to have reflect a fundamentally Christian, and specifically Catholic, worldview. He avoided too much in the way of overt religion so as not to create conflict with that Christian/Catholic worldview, and the Valar, Ainur, et al., are best understood as archangels, angels and the like. Though I think a case can be made that descriptions of Varda/Elbereth and how the Elves venerate her draw heavily on Marian motifs.


  • Ursula K. LeGuin was a Taoist, and that is reflected in many of the religions that show up in her books. There are others, such as the religion that Tenar is forced to become a priestess of in The Tombs of Atuan.

    In R.A. MacAvoy's Lens of the World trilogy the protagonist, Nazhuret, more or less founds a religion (by accident, and much to his irritation) that is in some respects similar to Zen Buddhism (from details in some of her other books, I suspect MacAvoy is a Zen practitioner).
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Sorry if I confused people with the whole no allegories of a real world religion the author intends to promote. The only work I can think of that this covers are the Narnia books, and I haven’t read any of Lewis’ other fiction so I can’t comment on it.

    I don’t think the supernatural beings in Lord of the Rings were intended by Tolkien as an allegory to promote Christianity, but I don’t really see the LOTR books as having a religion in the sense I wanted to discuss because, as far as I know, there is no need in them for anyone to have faith in the Ainur, Valar, etc, because everyone knows they exist - they may just disagree about whether Sauron or anyone else is a threat and how much power humans and other beings can and should claim relative to those powerful beings.

    Are there any fictional religions set in this world or a future version of this world that people like?

    I should point out that Narnia is not an allegory. Symbolic in various ways, and Aslan is "what if Jesus became incarnate in another world"" but not an allegory like Pilgrim's Progress (or Lewis' excellent Pilgrim's Regress).
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I don’t think the supernatural beings in Lord of the Rings were intended by Tolkien as an allegory to promote Christianity, but I don’t really see the LOTR books as having a religion in the sense I wanted to discuss because, as far as I know, there is no need in them for anyone to have faith in the Ainur, Valar, etc, because everyone knows they exist - they may just disagree about whether Sauron or anyone else is a threat and how much power humans and other beings can and should claim relative to those powerful beings.
    Tolkien was very clear that he disliked allegory and also very clear that he intended LOTR and his wider mythology to have reflect a fundamentally Christian, and specifically Catholic, worldview. He avoided too much in the way of overt religion so as not to create conflict with that Christian/Catholic worldview, and the Valar, Ainur, et al., are best understood as archangels, angels and the like. Though I think a case can be made that descriptions of Varda/Elbereth and how the Elves venerate her draw heavily on Marian motifs.

    And the creation of the world by Eru Iluvatar (God), marred by Melkor (Lucifer) who becomes Morgoth (Satan), and such.

    It is meant to take place basically before most of the Old Testament, by countless millennia, of course, so while it is in our world, it's in the vastly prehistoric past, before any of our history.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    It is not often remembered that in the first Planet Of The Apes movie, a major part of the plot involves a parody of the Scopes Trial, in which the humans try to convince the apes of their common origin.

    I don't THINK the apes are portrayed as having a religion, but their horrified attitude at the theory of evolution clearly mimics those of certain biblical-literalists in the contemporary era.
  • Anyone who has wandered through the National Railway Museum in York knows that it is a temple to the great iron and steel gods resting in there. Once in a while their priests will make offerings of coal and water to a select few of them, and they will respond to the gathered worshippers by communing with them through the spirit of steam; sometimes speaking in strange, slow chants before retreating to their state of silent, mystical contemplation.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    Sorry if I confused people with the whole no allegories of a real world religion the author intends to promote. The only work I can think of that this covers are the Narnia books, and I haven’t read any of Lewis’ other fiction so I can’t comment on it.

    I don’t think the supernatural beings in Lord of the Rings were intended by Tolkien as an allegory to promote Christianity, but I don’t really see the LOTR books as having a religion in the sense I wanted to discuss because, as far as I know, there is no need in them for anyone to have faith in the Ainur, Valar, etc, because everyone knows they exist - they may just disagree about whether Sauron or anyone else is a threat and how much power humans and other beings can and should claim relative to those powerful beings.

    Are there any fictional religions set in this world or a future version of this world that people like?

    I should point out that Narnia is not an allegory. Symbolic in various ways, and Aslan is "what if Jesus became incarnate in another world"" but not an allegory like Pilgrim's Progress (or Lewis' excellent Pilgrim's Regress).

    You liked Regress? Ugh, I found it just as heavy-handed and intelligence-insulting as the original. One of the few Lewis tomes I never reread.
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