War in the Middle East

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  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    POTUS has extended the pause on attacking power supply infrastructure on the grounds that “the talks are going very well”.

    (Whatever that means).

    Obviously not a pause on all hostilities but it’s something.
  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    POTUS has extended the pause on attacking power supply infrastructure on the grounds that “the talks are going very well”.

    (Whatever that means).

    Obviously not a pause on all hostilities but it’s something.

    IMO they just aren't ready is all. Their welcome committee is MIA. Yesterday there was a report of arrest of a CIA and Mossad cell in Chabahar, Baluchistan. Many weapons, explosives and several Starlink units were seized.

    Chabahar and nearby Konarak have two ports and an airport and a ready made ground insurgency population. After this arrest I feel strongly that this is the intended landing site.

    AFF

  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    AFF

    I guess the alternatives are TACO as Arethosemyfeet suggested, or “time to get ready” as you suggest.

    I suppose the middle ground would be caused by Iran blinking? That doesn’t seem very likely but there may be more moderate voices than the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, given the levels of degradation, urging at least a try to get some ceasefire?

    It doesn’t seem that “foggy” in Iran, despite Trump’s assertions, but you never know. The Gulf States may be having some significant influence behind the scenes. I’m sure they don’t want attacks on desalination for example.
  • Barnabas62 wrote: »

    I suppose the middle ground would be caused by Iran blinking? That doesn’t seem very likely but there may be more moderate voices than the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, given the levels of degradation, urging at least a try to get some ceasefire?

    We can hope for the best but I feel it's also good to be prepared for the worst.

    AFF
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    How does one sensibly prepare for the worst?

    Maybe this question is worth another thread.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    The UK government, and others, used to issue booklets on how to build a bomb shelter. That's preparing for the worst, but I'm not sure it was ever sensible.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Boogie wrote: »
    How does one sensibly prepare for the worst?

    Survivalism.

    I don’t recommend it. It’s a large investment, both financially and emotionally , for a small risk.

    Mental preparedness is another matter. “If the worst comes to the worst” is an encouragement to avoid complacency.

    I’m a Tom Lehrer fan myself. “If the world becomes uranious we will all go simultaneous”. Maybe not? But I live near enough to a number of US airforce bases.

  • Just sing out a Te Deum
    When you see that ICBM...


    I think mental preparedness is probably what AFF means, and yes, that does seem sensible (not quite the right word, perhaps).
    :scream:
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Happy Memories!

    ‘You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas

    Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars”.

    Well, we survived that angst despite signs at the times that we might not.

    But I think you read AFF correctly. Though in the worst possible circumstances, from her perspective, either eternity or another chance will follow. Which is kind of comforting.

  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    Happy Memories!

    ‘You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas

    Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars”.

    Well, we survived that angst despite signs at the times that we might not.

    But I think you read AFF correctly. Though in the worst possible circumstances, from her perspective, either eternity or another chance will follow. Which is kind of comforting.

    Well I did mean mental preparedness in the first instance, but if you have a practical plan for what you imagine the worst case scenario then that's up to your budget and discretion of course.

    I personally don't plan on suffering through my own imagined worst case scenario. I have a plan but it doesn't involve the survival of this iteration of my earth suit.

    Either way, I have made my decision and it's a long way from today to what I imagine is the worst case so I'm still planning to get my permanent Spanish residency in May.

    Hoping for the best as we all do.

    AFF



  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited March 27
    Indeed.
    :wink:

    There is, I hear, a fear that Trump - currently being outplayed by the resilient Iranians - may choose to deploy a nuclear weapon.

    That, of course, would up the ante dramatically. Is it likely, or are there still enough trolls (in his entourage) with functioning brain cells to dissuade him from the ultimate madness?

    It's also a sobering thought that the US is the only country (as far as we know) to have used nuclear weapons against civilians...
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    If a nuclear explosion occurs in Iran, the fallout will presumably go east and damage Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and maybe beyond that. Would any of that bother Trump?
  • HarryCH wrote: »
    If a nuclear explosion occurs in Iran, the fallout will presumably go east and damage Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and maybe beyond that. Would any of that bother Trump?
    HarryCH wrote: »
    If a nuclear explosion occurs in Iran, the fallout will presumably go east and damage Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and maybe beyond that. Would any of that bother Trump?

    Probably not, and the first strike, at least, might be of 'limited' power...what could follow, of course, doesn't bear thinking about.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Looks like Trump is waging war based on how the stock and oil markets are doing. He threatens to take out the power plants in Iran, the stock market tanks and oil markets soar. He then backs off extending a pause for up to ten days. It financial markets rally and oil prices drop.

    What a way to prosecute a war.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »

    What a way to prosecute a war.


    What a way to prosecute profit from a war.

    AFF

  • Had the weekly coffee break with my Lebanese friend today. I've never seen him in such a rage. His hatred for Netanyahu and the US government - which he considers to be one and the same - is breathtaking. Keeping up my side of the conversation isn't easy.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited 1:17AM
    Had the weekly coffee break with my Lebanese friend today. I've never seen him in such a rage. His hatred for Netanyahu and the US government - which he considers to be one and the same - is breathtaking. Keeping up my side of the conversation isn't easy.

    I forget who said it, but it was a general who had been in command in Afghanistan, and prior to that in Iraq. He said that in the Middle East if you kill two of the (enemy) you end up with ten more.

    That said, I do not consider anyone in Lebanon or Iran my personal enemy.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited 5:23AM
    Have you seen the war videos the White House is putting out? Here is one sample. The hese are the videos they are using to brief Trump on what is happening over there.

    Another examplehttps://x.com/i/status/2029657893155311927
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Had the weekly coffee break with my Lebanese friend today. I've never seen him in such a rage. His hatred for Netanyahu and the US government - which he considers to be one and the same - is breathtaking. Keeping up my side of the conversation isn't easy.

    Given that Israel has displaced about 1million Lebanese from their homes, and is talking about holding territory in South Lebanon (annexation is only when the same thing is done by enemies of the West) the anger is somewhat understandable.
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