Divine Self-Pardon

BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
There's a horror story I read in the news.
“U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-San Antonio, admitted Wednesday to having an affair with a staffer who later died by suicide, after initially denying the allegation.

Speaking on conservative talk show host Joe Pags’ show the day after he was forced into a runoff in his primary, Gonzales called the affair a “mistake” and a “lapse in judgment.”

“I take full responsibility for those actions,” Gonzales said. “Since then, I have reconciled with my wife, Angel. I’ve asked God to forgive me, which he has. And my faith is as strong as ever.”
How can you just do that when your actions led directly to the death of another person? On the other hand, how can you reconcile with the one you "sinned against" when the person you sinned against is dead? Also the curio that he says "my faith is strong as ever" as if that's some kind of benchmark for his character. Does that ameliorate what he did? Is "faith" like a video game status bar that goes up and down based on some metric?

I was tempted to post this in Kerygmania, thinking about the passage where Jesus warns people to reconcile with the "sinned against" before they reach the judge. But then, he also says we're supposed to forgive as many times as it takes, when people sin against us. And these two passages are supposed to create a channel for honest communication and earnest repentance, as Paul says, we shouldn't "sin that grace may abound." I think these are all fairly common sense Christian teachings.

But the idea of an individual sinner declaring themself clean on the basis of their own "private chat with God" seems to veer into self-deification. And certainly his wife can function as a confessor of sorts, but she's also his dependent (depending on the relationship) and certainly has a bias in the situation, a direct investment in his character.

The whole idea of the man declaring himself confessed and absolved in public feels like a major abuse of Protestant theology. I was never one for priestly confessions, but it's making me realize why they were instituted in the first place! Taken a certain way, it seems to me that this man just declared himself God. Textbook patriarchy.

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  • March HareMarch Hare Shipmate
    In Anglican liturgy, forgiveness and absolution follow not just confession but penitence. I don't see much of penitence, or acknowledgement of sin in what you have quoted. The language of 'mistake' and 'lapse in judgement' is not the language in which to speak of an act which cost someone else her life. This is cheap grace. Grace was never cheap.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited March 5
    It’s telling, I think, that he says nothing about the staffer’s family, or about seeking forgiveness from them.


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    In the Lutheran understanding. This is cheap grace. I agree with @Nick Tamen, he needs to seek reconciliation with the family of the victim.
  • As a convert to Orthodoxy from a Protestant background I find sacramental confession difficult but cathartic.

    Our priest sometimes says something about people not accepting forgiveness or absolution even if it's been granted, as it were. I can relate to that too.

    He has his faults, as do we all, but I find our priest a skilled confessor. It's not simply pronouncing the magic words.

    We mustn't judge but there does sound like a sense of 'entitlement' in the words quoted from this fella.

    It's all about him. My faith.

    It sounds like a caricature of Protestant theology. Confessions Of A Justified Sinner and so on.

    Or that bloke in the Robbie Burns poem, I forget the title.

    I hasten to add that I wouldn't accuse the entire Protestant tradition of promoting cheap grace, nor would I deny that sacramental confession can also be abused.
  • On the one hand, this IS a politician, discussing in public something that really would be much better addressed in private, but he's got to say something and possibly didn't have time or sense enough to prepare. On the other hand, what he said totally mutes his sin and the impact on the other family (and his own), etc. He'd have done better to get all quiet and say that was being addressed with the families, his church, and God.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    The concept of DIY forgiveness has always bothered me as a former Roman Catholic, fully aware that Christ has forgiven us all our sins. In this case however, there seems to be a lack of remorse, penitence and simply begging for forgiveness from the staffer’s family.

    I’m not trying to judge, just think what I would hope to do in the circumstances. I wouldn’t expect to be elected to public office though.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    edited March 5
    I'm amazed this is even a story. Politically, there's massive hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle with this issue, and the idea that it's any kind of problem, especially for Republicans considering the current POTUS is laughable at best. Spiritually, I don't know what anyone can really do except share their own understanding of their own denominational background's position on such things and carry on, and that's what you're doing!
  • In cases like this I look at the events and the words and actions of the people involved as a snapshot in a longer narrative - one that perhaps didn't start in this incarnation and perhaps doesn't end in this one either.

    "Everything will be all right in the end, and if it's not all right, it's not the end."

    Tony Gonzales seems to think that everything is all right, and maybe it is. Maybe this is the final chapter of a longer narrative many incarnations in the making. But there's no way for him to know for certain until he's back on the other side of the curtain and there's certainly the issue of the negative energies he has set in motion with his inamorata's family, which will have to be neutralized in some way or another.

    It's a very sad story and I feel that he isn't finished living through the consequences he set in motion through his "lapse in judgment".

    AFF
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    In cases like this I look at the events and the words and actions of the people involved as a snapshot in a longer narrative - one that perhaps didn't start in this incarnation and perhaps doesn't end in this one either.

    "Everything will be all right in the end, and if it's not all right, it's not the end."

    Tony Gonzales seems to think that everything is all right, and maybe it is. Maybe this is the final chapter of a longer narrative many incarnations in the making. But there's no way for him to know for certain until he's back on the other side of the curtain and there's certainly the issue of the negative energies he has set in motion with his inamorata's family, which will have to be neutralized in some way or another.
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    It's a very sad story and I feel that he isn't finished living through the consequences he set in motion through his "lapse in judgment".

    AFF

    I think the voters will have a say on whether it is all right. He is being forced into a primary runoff. https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/04/tony-gonzales-runoff-texas-gop-primary-00811372
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    On the one hand, this IS a politician, discussing in public something that really would be much better addressed in private, but he's got to say something and possibly didn't have time or sense enough to prepare. On the other hand, what he said totally mutes his sin and the impact on the other family (and his own), etc. He'd have done better to get all quiet and say that was being addressed with the families, his church, and God.

    That'd be more dignified, for sure. His assumption is he sinned against his wife, not the family of the person he had the affair with while he was the one with the professional power. That's some ugly.

    This does get into the question of her role in this, and there are reasons people should keep a respectful silence in these things. Might be our cultural trend post MeToo of broadcasting private sins in hopes for justice. This could be a secular justice issue, which he might be trying to use Divine Grace to avoid.
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    On the Protestant end, I did remember from when I was younger that it was a Presbyterian habit to have a collective confession with words of absolution spoken by a preacher.

    And I could easily be persuaded that I was a sinner. That was straightforward. But if you don't really believe in sacramental authority like the Catholics do, then the "Words of Assurance" may feel more like a doctrinal statement than a mystical transformation or existential reality. We don't really believe in ontological sacraments. But "I screwed something up" is something deeper than religious teaching.

    And so we reinforce Calvinist anxiety.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    In the Lutheran understanding. This is cheap grace. I agree with @Nick Tamen, he needs to seek reconciliation with the family of the victim.

    Not just Lutheran, I think.* Reading the story, the Cheap Grace heresy was my first thought. Bonhoeffer is really good on this. I'll try to find something relevant and helpful.

    AFZ

    *Happy to be corrected...
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    edited March 5
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    In the Lutheran understanding. This is cheap grace. I agree with @Nick Tamen, he needs to seek reconciliation with the family of the victim.

    Not just Lutheran, I think.* Reading the story, the Cheap Grace heresy was my first thought. Bonhoeffer is really good on this. I'll try to find something relevant and helpful.

    AFZ

    *Happy to be corrected...

    Bonhoeffer was a Lutheran. I also read him a lot in seminary.
  • Found it:
    “Cheap grace means grace sold on the market like cheapjacks' wares. The sacraments, the forgiveness of sin, and the consolations of religion are thrown away at cut prices. Grace is represented as the Church's inexhaustible treasury, from which she showers blessings with generous hands, without asking questions or fixing limits. Grace without price; grace without cost! The essence of grace, we suppose, is that the account has been paid in advance; and, because it has been paid, everything can be had for nothing. Since the cost was infinite, the possibilities of using and spending it are infinite. What would grace be if it were not cheap?...

    Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.

    Costly grace is the treasure hidden in the field; for the sake of it a man will go and sell all that he has. It is the pearl of great price to buy which the merchant will sell all his goods. It is the kingly rule of Christ, for whose sake a man will pluck out the eye which causes him to stumble; it is the call of Jesus Christ at which the disciple leaves his nets and follows him.

    Costly grace is the gospel which must be sought again and again, the gift which must be asked for, the door at which a man must knock.

    Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow, and it is grace because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life. It is costly because it condemns sin, and grace because it justifies the sinner. Above all, it is costly because it cost God the life of his Son: "ye were bought at a price," and what has cost God much cannot be cheap for us. Above all, it is grace because God did not reckon his Son too dear a price to pay for our life, but delivered him up for us. Costly grace is the Incarnation of God.”

    ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

    The thing that strikes me is this, it is people claiming forgiveness without repentance. And as Bonhoeffer concludes here, grace cost Jesus everything, it is obscene for us to hold it so cheaply.

    I have seen this kind of thing a lot in recent years in certain church circles. Most often with church leaders commanding abuse victims to forgive the unrepentant abusers when what such leaders should be doing of course, is proclaiming the need for the abusers to repent and show penitence, whilst also repenting themselves for their roles is allowing the abuse to take place.

    I do believe God's grace is big enough, powerful enough and loved-filled enough to forgive anyone. But, but I do also believe that repentance is not optional and is necessary to access such grace. John Newton wrote beautifully in his most famous of hymns that it was grace that taught his heart to fear - before the following line that grace relieved those fears. It seems to me that too many seem to think that they can ignore the cost of their sin - on others and on Jesus and themselves. They skip the part about owning up to their failings and asking God for forgiveness and just live with a kind of spiritual arrogance that says 'God's got this covered, time to move on.'

    I'll stop waffling now except to say that when David was confronted by the prophet Nathan about his adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of her husband, there were two very notable things that followed. David did truly repent - you can read his prayer! And I do believe God forgave him but there were still real-life consequences of his sin.

    AFZ
  • On the one hand, this IS a politician, discussing in public something that really would be much better addressed in private, but he's got to say something and possibly didn't have time or sense enough to prepare. On the other hand, what he said totally mutes his sin and the impact on the other family (and his own), etc. He'd have done better to get all quiet and say that was being addressed with the families, his church, and God.

    Yes.

    On 'Calvinist anxiety', @Bullfrog the 39 Articles of the Church of England state that those doctrines thus labelled are meant to be for comfort and consolation rather than angst.

    But human nature being what it is ...

    It's a bit like 'Catholic guilt' or its equivalents in other Christian traditions - or Orthodox Awkwardness or Obscurantism. All our respective traditions can be prone to extremes.

    And what @alienfromzog said.

    I've not read much Bonhoeffer but have always thought he was spot on with his views on 'cheap grace'.
  • On the subject of grace I have long observed that it is WE who are the agents of God's grace. It doesn't drop out of the sky or materialize out of nothing. It comes via forgiveness, ordinary instance or by extraordinary coincidence, but ISTM when we experience it, it's in the context of some other human being's decision or action. It seems to me we are never alone in this moment.

    Which is why it's never cheap. It's costly because God relies on us as His agents. We pray to be forgiven in the same measure as we ourselves forgive. This is a kind of mobius loop - it's not God doing the forgiving, it's us. Maybe Gonzalez has forgiven himself but that's only one half of the equation. It's not up to God to forgive him now, it's up to his inamorata and she's not here to do it.

    So as far as I can see, she and he are bound to another incarnation to live the rest of the story.

    AFF
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Bullfrog wrote: »
    On the Protestant end, I did remember from when I was younger that it was a Presbyterian habit to have a collective confession with words of absolution spoken by a preacher.
    Corporate confession early in the first part of service is still considered by many a sine qua non of Presbyterian worship.

    But the preacher/minister doesn’t speak words of absolution. She or he (and it doesn’t have to be a minister) speaks what is typically referred to as the Assurance of Pardon or the Declaration of Pardon, or just the Pardon.

    And I could easily be persuaded that I was a sinner. That was straightforward. But if you don't really believe in sacramental authority like the Catholics do, then the "Words of Assurance" may feel more like a doctrinal statement than a mystical transformation or existential reality. We don't really believe in ontological sacraments. But "I screwed something up" is something deeper than religious teaching.

    And so we reinforce Calvinist anxiety.
    If anxiety is being reinforced, it’s being done wrong. The confession is considered one of the chief moments of proclaiming the Gospel. As one liturgical scholar in the PC(USA) puts it, it should be a “grace sandwich.” By that, he means this:

    The confession traditionally consists of three parts—the call to confession, the prayer and the pardon. The call to confession should announce the grace of God; something like this is common:
    If we say we have no sin,
    we deceive ourselves,
    and the truth is not in us.
    But when we confess our sins,
    God who is faithful and just
    will forgive us our sins
    and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    Trusting in God’s grace, let us confess our sin.

    Similarly, the pardon announces that grace, in words like:
    Hear the good news!
    As people born of water and the Spirit
    we have died to the old life,
    and a new life has begun.
    God’s grace is poured out upon us day by day.
    Come to the water and remember your baptism.
    Be thankful,
    and live as one who has been raised to new life!
    In Jesus Christ, we are forgiven!
    Amen. (Or Thanks be to God.)

    Note there is also a “go do better” in there.

    As these particular words reflect, it has become very common to lead the confession from the font, in order to ground the confession and pardon in baptismal framework. It is also common for the leader to interact with the water—pouring it, lifting it and letting it fall back in the font, splashing it and/or sprinkling the congregation. It’s also common to sing a brief “Response to Pardon,” followed by the Peace.

    FWIW.


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Corporate confession early in the first part of service is still considered by many a sine qua non of Presbyterian worship.

    Boy, did I learn that when I started preaching at my Presbyterian community. Not to worry. Lutherans often do it too.
  • At our home church there is no prayer of confession, never mind it is a mainstream Presbyterian church. Once when I called the minister on it he explained that many of our new members had come from the Christian Reformed Church where they were told they were going to hell for their sins, and he wasn't going to tell them that they are sinners.
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    edited March 5
    @Gamma Gamaliel , Yeah, I think I can blame that anxiety more on Weber and successive generations missing the point than on Calvin himself. Calvinism has taken years to mutate.

    And I went to a very nice church, I kind of blame myself for missing the point. It was a complicated situation, which also answers @Nick Tamen 's point. I don't want to shame my home church for my childhood misunderstanding. That said, I do recognize the tendency that Weber referred to in "Protestant Work Ethic" and have harbored a bit of a case of it.

    My memory of exactly how this happened when I was a kid are somewhat hazy. And I had other reasons for carrying a guilt complex that are extra-theological and beyond the purview of this thread. Confession was always a pretty emotionally salient thing for me, and I think it was a good thing. I just always struggled more with mercy, which might be a good thing, to avoid ending up like the guy in the OP.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Corporate confession early in the first part of service is still considered by many a sine qua non of Presbyterian worship.
    Boy, did I learn that when I started preaching at my Presbyterian community.
    Heh! I realized that rather than saying “is considered by many a sine qua non” I should should have said “is almost universally considered a sine qua non.” I’ve been to funerals with a prayer of confession, consistent with the funeral liturgy in the Book of Common Worship. I think the only service where one can safely assume there will not be one is a wedding.

    And totally get that, @Bullfrog.


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I think the only service where one can safely assume there will not be one is a wedding.

    Ya, probably not in good taste. But probably appropriate.
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