Church of the Apostles, Atlanta, Georgia USA

WearyPilgrimWearyPilgrim Shipmate Posts: 11
I'm curious as to whether anyone is familiar with the "independent Anglican" Church of the Apostles in suburban Atlanta. It's a huge church with a neo-Gothic building, although the sanctuary has pews that surround the chancel, which has a center pulpit and Communion table covered with variously-styled chalices. (No candles.) The place has stained glass windows and a large pipe organ, but an "auditorium" feel. Apostles is led by the Reverend Michael Youssef, an Egyptian-born former Episcopal priest who is a graduate of Moore Theological College, Fuller Seminary (D.Min.) and Emory University (Ph.D.). Youssef founded the church in the late 1970s or early '80s as an evangelical parish within the Atlanta Diocese, but it separated from the Episcopal Church several years after it was formed, largely over the diocese's affirmation of te LGBTQ+ community. As the church was meeting in a high school auditorium, there was no property dispute. Youssef is a prominent evangelical with national television and online ministries. I don't know whether he has canonical residence in any Anglican body, but he has spoken at least once at an ACNA gathering. Nor do I know whether the church uses any of the Prayer Book liturgies.

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  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited August 13
    On the “About” page of the church’s website, I see this in answer to the Question “What denomination is The Church of the Apostles”:
    “The Church of The Apostles is an independent non-denominational church with Anglican roots. We stand in the Anglican tradition, specifically in the pattern of church government as well as various practices of worship.”

    I would have thought bishops would be a sine qua non of standing in the Anglican pattern of church government.

    And the order of worship on the website doesn’t appear related to any Anglican Prayer Book order I’m familiar with.


  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    Good heavens,there’s another Moore Theological College???!!! ( for the uninitiated Moore is the industrial-strength evangelical Anglican training college for the Diocese of Sydney, Oz ( there is an Archbishop but for reasons unclear it is but a diocese).
  • I'm a bit disturbed by how wholeheartedly the church seems to be leaning into the whole mega-church, media and app everything approach.
  • Sojourner wrote: »
    Good heavens,there’s another Moore Theological College???!!! ( for the uninitiated Moore is the industrial-strength evangelical Anglican training college for the Diocese of Sydney, Oz ( there is an Archbishop but for reasons unclear it is but a diocese).
    No, both Michael Youssef (Founding Pastor and Pastor Emeritus) and his son Jonathan Youssef (current Senior Pastor) went to the Moore Theological College in Oz.


  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    That sounds more like it. The average Moore graduate does not hold with such popish frippery as candles on the altar🙄
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    With a surname like Youssef they would have come from either a Maronite or Antiochan Orthodox background.
  • Sojourner wrote: »
    With a surname like Youssef they would have come from either a Maronite or Antiochan Orthodox background.
    Coptic, apparently. The website says this about the elder Youssef: “Born in Egypt in 1948, he surrendered his life to the Lordship of Jesus Christ at the age of 16. He was one of eight children with a family heritage rooted in the ancient New Testament church founded by the Apostle Mark.”

    It’s the Coptic Orthodox Church that claims to have been founded by St. Mark. The bio also says Dr. Youssef “immigrated to Australia as a young man where he studied at Moore Theological College in Sydney . . . .”


  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    Well, there you are. He’s swapped one 3 hour service for another….

    There is a sizeable Coptic community here in Sydney (mostly from Egypt since the late 60s but more recently from Ethiopia). They were and are not a popular minority in Egypt and after 1956 Nasser was glad to see the back of the Copts as well as the Alexandrine Greeks, Armenians and Italians.


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  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    Just to prolong the tangent on Sydney Anglicana: the current Archbishop of Sydney (Kanishka Raffel) is the UK-born son of Sri Lankan Buddhists and converted as a young man.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Fuller Seminary is in Pasadena, California (with satellite campuses in other places) -- it's where the Baptist church I grew up in got most of its pastors. I don't know what it's like now, but back in the day it was staunchly evangelical and had respectable academic standards.

    There's a whole thing on the church website about the process the son went through before taking over the church -- he met with the vestry a bunch and they had the head of Reformed Theological Seminary administer a four-hour exam. No offense to the Reformed tradition, but this is not how Anglicans do things.
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    Sounds like the Sydney Anglicans, who have effectively split from the world wide Anglican communion following the installation of the ( female) Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Many years back ( late 1970s) I encountered 2 Australian Baptist ordinands ( brothers) who trained at Moore. They chose not to train at Morling College ( the Baptist school in Sydney) as they considered that the teaching there did not place sufficient emphasis on Hell. Since then I have heard of other conservative Baptists and Presbyterians ( the rump remaining after two-thirds of Presbys elected to join the Methodists and Congregationalists to form the Uniting Church of Oz) ordinands who have chosen to train at Moore.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    There's a whole thing on the church website about the process the son went through before taking over the church -- he met with the vestry a bunch and they had the head of Reformed Theological Seminary administer a four-hour exam. No offense to the Reformed tradition, but this is not how Anglicans do things.
    It’s all very strange sounding to me; the way this church seems to do things sounds very much their own thing, with bits of Anglican and Reformed thrown in for flavor.

    FWIW, Reformed Theological Seminary was founded in the 1960s by conservatives from the old Presbyterian Church in the United States (aka, “the Southern Church,” now the PC(USA)) who disapproved of the direction in which the PCUS was moving. Those same conservatives were among those who left the PCUS in the early 70s to form the Presbyterian Church in America.

    Reformed Theological Seminary serves the PCA, the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (which, similar to the PCA, was started in the early 1980s by conservatives who left the United Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A., aka “the Northern Church,” now the PC(USA)), the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (a small denomination descended from Scottish Seceder and Covenanter groups), and other conservative Presbyterian groups.


  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    So wait -- are they doing it right over there at Apostles Atlanta, or not so much?
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited August 14
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Ruth wrote: »
    There's a whole thing on the church website about the process the son went through before taking over the church -- he met with the vestry a bunch and they had the head of Reformed Theological Seminary administer a four-hour exam. No offense to the Reformed tradition, but this is not how Anglicans do things.
    It’s all very strange sounding to me; the way this church seems to do things sounds very much their own thing, with bits of Anglican and Reformed thrown in for flavor.

    They compare it to the PCA ordination exam:

    https://apostles1.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Vetting-Process-REV.pdf

    But yes, it looks like they are doing their own thing with a kind of (small a) anglican (small r) reformed flavour.

    It's linked via here https://apostles.org/ourpastor/

    "Jonathan is deeply aware of the question that may arise as he steps into the role his father has held for 39 years – is this just a family business? He wants every member to know that church leaders (including him) aren’t simply “shuffled in” – they are carefully prepared, trained, and examined for the role. He underwent a rigorous year-long process before the announcement of the transition"
  • Yikes. From that page on the vetting process: “Although our church’s bylaws allow the Senior Pastor to appoint his successor, Dr. Youssef
    intentionally involved trusted lay leaders (vestry members) in the vetting process.”

    The senior pastor can appoint his own successor? That sets of loud alarm bells for me. It sound like just another megachurch, with sprinklings of Anglican and Reformed to make it slightly distinctive.


  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    The senior pastor can appoint his own successor? That sets of loud alarm bells for me. It sound like just another megachurch, with sprinklings of Anglican and Reformed to make it slightly distinctive.

    It's a direction of travel often enough for former Anglican Churches that leave - I presume what happens is that the top down appointment style meets the new most senior person notionally taking on the role of 'bishop'.
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