Knowing hard the fishing industry works and how much it's shrunk over the last few decades I do have some sympathy. I can understand the lure of people promising they can bring back the good times. It's hard to be realistic about things when the choice is between your industry being screwed fast or slow. At least the guy recognises the betrayal which suggests he's paying attention. Ultimately they at least had a concrete and substantive objective from Brexit, it was just not worth the cost to the wider economy.
More sympathy than I have for the stories circulating of immigrants in Spain who voted for Brexit and now complain they can't stream their favourite TV channels.
The British expats in Spain who voted to leave get my vote for stupidest people alive. Never mind the TV channels, wait until they need some kind of expensive medical treatment (which given that many of them are old, is highly likely).
Hmm. I suspect that those trying to import goods into Brexitland will find that Brussels can come up with some quite extensive red tape of its own...
Yes, I read a journalist who said he could visualize French customs officials sharpening their pencils, getting ready to say non, to various lorry drivers, van drivers, etc., or asking if you have filled in certificate 253, section 45 (D), in triplicate.
Hmm. I suspect that those trying to import goods into Brexitland will find that Brussels can come up with some quite extensive red tape of its own...
Why would they bother when the UK has provided so much new red tape? For inatsnace, VAT collection at point of sale apparently means EU suppliers to UK now have to register with HMRC. Hmmm.
I have composed a ditty in honour of our Glorious Brexit, to a tune (and I hope in a tone) that will be familiar to fans of the late, great F&S:
The EU has done for us
Fuck all
Fuck all
But steal our fish and freedom
Sell them to foreign foe
Don't care about Erasmus
Nor customs or high tariffs
In fact, we care fuckall
So, praise the brave pink gammons
Gammons,
Gammons,
Who saw Britannia's Peril,
And answered to her call,
No French to steal our haddock,
No Poles to pick our cabbage,
No Turks come here to ravage,
When Boris saves us all
Our Brexit has now happened,
Happened,
Happened,
All that we ever wanted,
Sovereignty restored!
But we don't have our fish stocks
Free trade nor our free movement
We thought we'd gained our freedom
In fact we gained… fuckall
I have composed a ditty in honour of our Glorious Brexit, to a tune (and I hope in a tone) that will be familiar to fans of the late, great F&S:
The EU has done for us
Fuck all
Fuck all
But steal our fish and freedom
Sell them to foreign foe
Don't care about Erasmus
Nor customs or high tariffs
In fact, we care fuckall
So, praise the brave pink gammons
Gammons,
Gammons,
Who saw Britannia's Peril,
And answered to her call,
No French to steal our haddock,
No Poles to pick our cabbage,
No Turks come here to ravage,
When Boris saves us all
Our Brexit has now happened,
Happened,
Happened,
All that we ever wanted,
Sovereignty restored!
But we don't have our fish stocks
Free trade nor our free movement
We thought we'd gained our freedom
In fact we gained… fuckall
I have composed a ditty in honour of our Glorious Brexit, to a tune (and I hope in a tone) that will be familiar to fans of the late, great F&S:
The EU has done for us
Fuck all
Fuck all
But steal our fish and freedom
Sell them to foreign foe
Don't care about Erasmus
Nor customs or high tariffs
In fact, we care fuckall
So, praise the brave pink gammons
Gammons,
Gammons,
Who saw Britannia's Peril,
And answered to her call,
No French to steal our haddock,
No Poles to pick our cabbage,
No Turks come here to ravage,
When Boris saves us all
Our Brexit has now happened,
Happened,
Happened,
All that we ever wanted,
Sovereignty restored!
But we don't have our fish stocks
Free trade nor our free movement
We thought we'd gained our freedom
In fact we gained… fuckall
There may well be British people living in Spain who are/were in sympathy with Brexit, and some who voted Leave and then moved to Spain, but I don't think anyone living in Spain at the time of the referendum could have voted in it -- surely one of the problems with the referendum was that UK residents elsewhere in the EU, more affected by it than most people, couldn't vote.
There may well be British people living in Spain who are/were in sympathy with Brexit, and some who voted Leave and then moved to Spain, but I don't think anyone living in Spain at the time of the referendum could have voted in it -- surely one of the problems with the referendum was that UK residents elsewhere in the EU, more affected by it than most people, couldn't vote.
Only true if they'd been there more than 15 years, if memory serves.
According to the NHS app on my mobile phone, my EHIC card will remain valid in the EU, Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Switzerland until its expiry this coming February. I will then be issued with a new, all-British 'Global Health Insurance Card'(GHIC) as a replacement. It goes on to tell me that, despite its world-beating title, the GHIC will be valid in the EU only (not in the other countries of the EEA) and that I should not on any account neglect to take out comprehensive health insurance. I shall be 83 in February. You could not make it up.
More sympathy than I have for the stories circulating of immigrants in Spain who voted for Brexit and now complain they can't stream their favourite TV channels.
In fairness, I saw a comment from some expat group that Channel 4 had deliberately gone trawling for horrible people in their community - kind of the Remainer equivalent of those 'documentaries' about benefit scroungers.
More sympathy than I have for the stories circulating of immigrants in Spain who voted for Brexit and now complain they can't stream their favourite TV channels.
In fairness, I saw a comment from some expat group that Channel 4 had deliberately gone trawling for horrible people in their community - kind of the Remainer equivalent of those 'documentaries' about benefit scroungers.
If true, that's a fair criticism. I would like to know details though.
According to the NHS app on my mobile phone, my EHIC card will remain valid in the EU, Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Switzerland until its expiry this coming February. I will then be issued with a new, all-British 'Global Health Insurance Card'(GHIC) as a replacement. It goes on to tell me that, despite its world-beating title, the GHIC will be valid in the EU only (not in the other countries of the EEA) and that I should not on any account neglect to take out comprehensive health insurance. I shall be 83 in February. You could not make it up.
The advice is appropriate: you should take out comprehensive health (or repatriation) insurance if you travel anyway. The EHIC card doesn't provide comprehensive free treatment, it provides essential/emergency state-provided treatment at the same cost as to local residents. This may or may not be free.
Yes, I have always taken out medical insurance when travelling abroad. But that does not alter the nonsense of concocting a grand-sounding scheme to replace the EHIC which is, in fact, less geographically comprehensive. A metaphor for Brexit in practice, I suppose.
Yes. UK citizens had to have lived in the UK within the past 15 years at the time of the referendum to be entitled to vote.
Thankyou for the correction -- I think I must live in enough of a Remainer bubble that the number of complaints I heard about UK citizens elsewhere in the EU not being able to vote made me fail to realise that quite a few of them could.
It might be interesting to know how many of them voted Leave, and how that proportion differed between countries, but I'm guessing that their votes were just counted with the other postal/proxy votes in the places where they used to live (is that correct?).
More sympathy than I have for the stories circulating of immigrants in Spain who voted for Brexit and now complain they can't stream their favourite TV channels.
In fairness, I saw a comment from some expat group that Channel 4 had deliberately gone trawling for horrible people in their community - kind of the Remainer equivalent of those 'documentaries' about benefit scroungers.
If true, that's a fair criticism. I would like to know details though.
I know many expat Brits here in the Netherlands. I only met one who was pro-Brexit. On the other hand Mrs Whale travels a lot for her work amongst expats in other countries. There is a group she visits in Spain which is predominantly made up of retired Brits, and many (even most) of them very much fit the entitled Brexiteer stereotype. Different demographic from the mostly working professionals I come across here.
But that does not alter the nonsense of concocting a grand-sounding scheme to replace the EHIC which is, in fact, less geographically comprehensive.
Presumably the intention is to expand it to cover more of the world once the relevant agreements have been made with each country. So far that agreement has only been reached with the EU.
Well the current thing that's being rushed through with little consultation is genetically modified plant and animal crops, something EU law has been preventing - link to BBC story. Along with chlorinated chicken which promise was made in January 2020 and ignored in June when a US trade deal was in the offing -Twitter link
Well the current thing that's being rushed through with little consultation is genetically modified plant and animal crops, something EU law has been preventing - link to BBC story. Along with chlorinated chicken which promise was made in January 2020 and ignored in June when a US trade deal was in the offing -Twitter link
FWIW, GM food does not worry me at all from a health/scientific perspective but from a democratic point of view, this is reprehensible.* Although not surprising; remember #ProjectFear = post Brexit reality.
Just to remind everyone, chlorinated chicken is not a problem in itself; it's the fact that chicken produced in many US farms need chlorination due to much lower welfare and hygiene standards. Chlorination is not as effective (though a lot cheaper) than enforcing better standards. This is why the rates of food poisoning are much higher in the States. However, once again we come back to #ProjectFear = post Brexit reality.
Or to put it another way the proponents of Brexit are lying bastards.
AFZ
*the irony for me here is that the loudest media voices opposing GM foods were the Mail and Express - "Frankenstein Foods"
I've started a new thread on genetic manipulation, because it's interesting enough (IMO) to warrant it.
In relation to Brexit, if the consultation results in a proposal to change UK regulations such that they diverge from the EU then there'll be consequences - in particular this will break the deal just signed for tariff-free access to the EU markets. There will need to be vastly more rigorous examination of UK produced foods being exported to the EU as genetically manipulated foods will not be permitted (except, possibly, in a few select circumstances, where they're clearly labelled as such), and possibly the introduction on tariffs for those types of product. The UK government will need to decide if it's worth the cost, and will find it very difficult to justify changing UK regulations given the costs, meaning that UK and EU regulations will by necessity remain identical (of course, that means that the UK will be accepting changes from the EU without any input into the process ... it's called "taking back control"). This is especially true on an issue such as genetic manipulation where there'll be significant public opinion opposed to any relaxation of regulations to allow these foods to become common in our shops.
I've started a new thread on genetic manipulation, because it's interesting enough (IMO) to warrant it.
In relation to Brexit, if the consultation results in a proposal to change UK regulations such that they diverge from the EU then there'll be consequences - in particular this will break the deal just signed for tariff-free access to the EU markets. There will need to be vastly more rigorous examination of UK produced foods being exported to the EU as genetically manipulated foods will not be permitted (except, possibly, in a few select circumstances, where they're clearly labelled as such), and possibly the introduction on tariffs for those types of product. The UK government will need to decide if it's worth the cost, and will find it very difficult to justify changing UK regulations given the costs, meaning that UK and EU regulations will by necessity remain identical (of course, that means that the UK will be accepting changes from the EU without any input into the process ... it's called "taking back control"). This is especially true on an issue such as genetic manipulation where there'll be significant public opinion opposed to any relaxation of regulations to allow these foods to become common in our shops.
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
I've started a new thread on genetic manipulation, because it's interesting enough (IMO) to warrant it.
In relation to Brexit, if the consultation results in a proposal to change UK regulations such that they diverge from the EU then there'll be consequences - in particular this will break the deal just signed for tariff-free access to the EU markets. There will need to be vastly more rigorous examination of UK produced foods being exported to the EU as genetically manipulated foods will not be permitted (except, possibly, in a few select circumstances, where they're clearly labelled as such), and possibly the introduction on tariffs for those types of product. The UK government will need to decide if it's worth the cost, and will find it very difficult to justify changing UK regulations given the costs, meaning that UK and EU regulations will by necessity remain identical (of course, that means that the UK will be accepting changes from the EU without any input into the process ... it's called "taking back control"). This is especially true on an issue such as genetic manipulation where there'll be significant public opinion opposed to any relaxation of regulations to allow these foods to become common in our shops.
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
I've started a new thread on genetic manipulation, because it's interesting enough (IMO) to warrant it.
In relation to Brexit, if the consultation results in a proposal to change UK regulations such that they diverge from the EU then there'll be consequences - in particular this will break the deal just signed for tariff-free access to the EU markets. There will need to be vastly more rigorous examination of UK produced foods being exported to the EU as genetically manipulated foods will not be permitted (except, possibly, in a few select circumstances, where they're clearly labelled as such), and possibly the introduction on tariffs for those types of product. The UK government will need to decide if it's worth the cost, and will find it very difficult to justify changing UK regulations given the costs, meaning that UK and EU regulations will by necessity remain identical (of course, that means that the UK will be accepting changes from the EU without any input into the process ... it's called "taking back control"). This is especially true on an issue such as genetic manipulation where there'll be significant public opinion opposed to any relaxation of regulations to allow these foods to become common in our shops.
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
In that case so would deciding to rejoin the EU.
By Gove, I think you've got it.
So we're agreed that we always had control. We can't take back something we've always had. The slogan 'take back control' was therefore free with the truth.
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
In that case so would deciding to rejoin the EU.
By Gove, I think you've got it.
So we're agreed that we always had control. We can't take back something we've always had. The slogan 'take back control' was therefore free with the truth.
But it's the sort of slogan you need if your want to win your argument
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
In that case so would deciding to rejoin the EU.
By Gove, I think you've got it.
So we're agreed that we always had control. We can't take back something we've always had. The slogan 'take back control' was therefore free with the truth.
But it's the sort of slogan you need if your want to win your argument
Deciding to have a trade deal with the EU or having no trade deal is taking back control
In that case so would deciding to rejoin the EU.
By Gove, I think you've got it.
So we're agreed that we always had control. We can't take back something we've always had. The slogan 'take back control' was therefore free with the truth.
But it's the sort of slogan you need if your want to win your argument
So a lie to win an argument.
Not a lie when we will have more control over immigration and freedom of movement
Comments
https://twitter.com/alienfromzog/status/1346017294179250176?s=19
AFZ
Knowing hard the fishing industry works and how much it's shrunk over the last few decades I do have some sympathy. I can understand the lure of people promising they can bring back the good times. It's hard to be realistic about things when the choice is between your industry being screwed fast or slow. At least the guy recognises the betrayal which suggests he's paying attention. Ultimately they at least had a concrete and substantive objective from Brexit, it was just not worth the cost to the wider economy.
But the new introduction is our own world-beating red tape, not the minimalist and barely visible Brussels red tap.
Yes, I read a journalist who said he could visualize French customs officials sharpening their pencils, getting ready to say non, to various lorry drivers, van drivers, etc., or asking if you have filled in certificate 253, section 45 (D), in triplicate.
Are you sure you're not the stereotypical Brexit voter? Because this certainly sounds like one.
Mind you, I do live in Kent, so it's possible I may have unconsciously absorbed some elements of Farage's *thoughts* (I use the term very loosely).
Why would they bother when the UK has provided so much new red tape? For inatsnace, VAT collection at point of sale apparently means EU suppliers to UK now have to register with HMRC. Hmmm.
The EU has done for us
Fuck all
Fuck all
But steal our fish and freedom
Sell them to foreign foe
Don't care about Erasmus
Nor customs or high tariffs
In fact, we care fuckall
So, praise the brave pink gammons
Gammons,
Gammons,
Who saw Britannia's Peril,
And answered to her call,
No French to steal our haddock,
No Poles to pick our cabbage,
No Turks come here to ravage,
When Boris saves us all
Our Brexit has now happened,
Happened,
Happened,
All that we ever wanted,
Sovereignty restored!
But we don't have our fish stocks
Free trade nor our free movement
We thought we'd gained our freedom
In fact we gained… fuckall
You may have to tell us which tune.
Rockall
There may well be British people living in Spain who are/were in sympathy with Brexit, and some who voted Leave and then moved to Spain, but I don't think anyone living in Spain at the time of the referendum could have voted in it -- surely one of the problems with the referendum was that UK residents elsewhere in the EU, more affected by it than most people, couldn't vote.
Only true if they'd been there more than 15 years, if memory serves.
In fairness, I saw a comment from some expat group that Channel 4 had deliberately gone trawling for horrible people in their community - kind of the Remainer equivalent of those 'documentaries' about benefit scroungers.
If true, that's a fair criticism. I would like to know details though.
https://theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/05/mother-fears-son-could-die-as-brexit-stops-medical-cannabis-medicine-supply
I don't suppose this will be the last such case...
The advice is appropriate: you should take out comprehensive health (or repatriation) insurance if you travel anyway. The EHIC card doesn't provide comprehensive free treatment, it provides essential/emergency state-provided treatment at the same cost as to local residents. This may or may not be free.
Thankyou for the correction -- I think I must live in enough of a Remainer bubble that the number of complaints I heard about UK citizens elsewhere in the EU not being able to vote made me fail to realise that quite a few of them could.
It might be interesting to know how many of them voted Leave, and how that proportion differed between countries, but I'm guessing that their votes were just counted with the other postal/proxy votes in the places where they used to live (is that correct?).
I know many expat Brits here in the Netherlands. I only met one who was pro-Brexit. On the other hand Mrs Whale travels a lot for her work amongst expats in other countries. There is a group she visits in Spain which is predominantly made up of retired Brits, and many (even most) of them very much fit the entitled Brexiteer stereotype. Different demographic from the mostly working professionals I come across here.
Presumably the intention is to expand it to cover more of the world once the relevant agreements have been made with each country. So far that agreement has only been reached with the EU.
FWIW, GM food does not worry me at all from a health/scientific perspective but from a democratic point of view, this is reprehensible.* Although not surprising; remember #ProjectFear = post Brexit reality.
Just to remind everyone, chlorinated chicken is not a problem in itself; it's the fact that chicken produced in many US farms need chlorination due to much lower welfare and hygiene standards. Chlorination is not as effective (though a lot cheaper) than enforcing better standards. This is why the rates of food poisoning are much higher in the States. However, once again we come back to #ProjectFear = post Brexit reality.
Or to put it another way the proponents of Brexit are lying bastards.
AFZ
*the irony for me here is that the loudest media voices opposing GM foods were the Mail and Express - "Frankenstein Foods"
In relation to Brexit, if the consultation results in a proposal to change UK regulations such that they diverge from the EU then there'll be consequences - in particular this will break the deal just signed for tariff-free access to the EU markets. There will need to be vastly more rigorous examination of UK produced foods being exported to the EU as genetically manipulated foods will not be permitted (except, possibly, in a few select circumstances, where they're clearly labelled as such), and possibly the introduction on tariffs for those types of product. The UK government will need to decide if it's worth the cost, and will find it very difficult to justify changing UK regulations given the costs, meaning that UK and EU regulations will by necessity remain identical (of course, that means that the UK will be accepting changes from the EU without any input into the process ... it's called "taking back control"). This is especially true on an issue such as genetic manipulation where there'll be significant public opinion opposed to any relaxation of regulations to allow these foods to become common in our shops.
In that case so would deciding to rejoin the EU.
By Gove, I think you've got it.
But it's the sort of slogan you need if your want to win your argument
So a lie to win an argument.
Not a lie when we will have more control over immigration and freedom of movement
Besides, the UK benefits massively from migration. We should be removing barriers to migration, not putting up more.
That’s not a freedom I think any Leave voter cares about in the slightest.
Economic benefit is not the only kind of benefit that exists, nor is it necessarily the most important kind of benefit.
You'd be surprised. A surprising number of Brexiteers think they can stop Poles coming here but still buy a cheap house to retire to in Bulgaria.
The idea is to be able to have selective immigration
People like Rishi Sunak and Pritti Patel are your horrid brown people ?