General Good-byes And RIPs

1262729313248

Comments

  • Crœsos wrote: »
    Carolyn Bryant Donham has died. For those who are scratching their heads about who the heck she was, this opening paragraph is how most of her obituaries are likely to memorialize her.
    The white woman who accused Black teenager Emmett Till of whistling at and accosting her in Mississippi in 1955 — causing his lynching, which galvanized a generation of activists to rise up in the Civil Rights Movement — has died at 88.

    Not the world's Best Epitaph Ever, whatever the case involved.

    Re Jerry Springer - I once watched one of his *shows*, in fascinated horror that such utter dross was classed as entertainment...
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited April 2023
    Re Jerry Springer - I once watched one of his *shows*, in fascinated horror that such utter dross was classed as entertainment...

    Well, I'm not sure what else you would classify it as. Pretty sure it wouldn't qualify as hard-news.

    Never saw Jerry Springer: The Opera, but I've just been reading up on it via wiki. Apparently, it caused more controversy in the UK than I remembered, though probably concentrated among a few loud-mouth Christian churches and groups. Christian Voice apparently bullied a cancer-charity into refusing a donation from the show. (Odd CV could have that sort of influence, given that I've heard the group dismissed as just Stephen Green and a small handful of his toadies.)
  • @stetson That "quote" wasn't me! The hearest I got to seeing Jerry Springer was watching Jerry Springer - The Opera when it was broadcast on TV.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    It was back in February, but I’ve just seen the Church Times obituary of the Revd Prof Anthony Thiselton. A remarkable intellect and a lovely unassuming man.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    @stetson That "quote" wasn't me! The hearest I got to seeing Jerry Springer was watching Jerry Springer - The Opera when it was broadcast on TV.

    Sorry. No idea how that happened. The actual poster was @Bishops Finger.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    @stetson That "quote" wasn't me! The hearest I got to seeing Jerry Springer was watching Jerry Springer - The Opera when it was broadcast on TV.

    Sorry. No idea how that happened. The actual poster was @Bishops Finger.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    @TheOrganist

    How did you like the opera? Was it enjoyable without having seen the TV show? And is it an actual opera, or just a musical with a spoof title?
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    It was more an oratorio really. Bit of a mess, in our opinion, largely written to show how ‘edgy’ the writers were. It didn’t deserve all the fuss.

    Some great people in the cast who we’ve since seen in other things.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited April 2023
    Gill H wrote: »
    It was more an oratorio really. Bit of a mess, in our opinion, largely written to show how ‘edgy’ the writers were. It didn’t deserve all the fuss.

    Some great people in the cast who we’ve since seen in other things.

    Yeah, from a non-watcher's perspective, it always struck me as somewhat sophmoric. Springer has to be the lowest hanging fruit there ìs for satire, since the whole selling-point of the original TV show was that it's a freak-show.

    But I guess it was also going after religion, which CAN be edgy, but often ends up just flattering urban sophisticates for being secular enough to find it funny, whereas anybody who would be offended, ie. the kind of person who NEEDS to see religion criticized, would just stay away.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Jerry Springer the Opera was gross. Really gross.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Telford wrote: »
    Jerry Springer the Opera was gross. Really gross.

    In what way was it grosser than the TV show? Not doubting you at all, just curious.

    (If details would be epiphanic, please decline to answer.)
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    Act 1 was a standard show (as far as I know, since I never saw one) except that there are interjections from (IIRC) a ‘personal Valkyrie’ or something, to comment on the action and give the ‘opera’ theme.

    At the end of Act 1 Jerry is shot. He hallucinates a version of the show where the outrageous characters are Jesus, Mary, God and the Devil.

    It all goes pretty South Park, as you can imagine. Only without the wit.
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    (Incidentally, though I don’t care for South Park, the same writers’ ‘Book of Mormon’ has been running for years without comment. In fact the Mormons even took out adverts in the programmes!
  • @stetson Jerry Springer : The Opera? A musical, not an opera. I found it bizarre and a tad tedious. One of the ear-worms I have (could be misremembered) is So dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians, which gives a taste ...
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited April 2023
    Gill H wrote: »
    (Incidentally, though I don’t care for South Park, the same writers’ ‘Book of Mormon’ has been running for years without comment. In fact the Mormons even took out adverts in the programmes!
    The Book of Mormon is a great show. I think the LDS Church leadership figured they’d come out ahead in the long run if they embraced it rather than denounce it.

    /back to Jerry Springer.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    And also in Canadian music...

    Gordon Lightfoot

    Does anyone know where the love of God goes
    When the wind turns the minutes to hours?
  • stetson wrote: »
    And also in Canadian music...

    Gordon Lightfoot

    Does anyone know where the love of God goes
    When the wind turns the minutes to hours?

    The end of an era :cry:
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    And I don't think you have to be one of those smug Canadians who like to pontificate about the wrongs of the USA to admit that....

    BLACK DAY IN JULY is a kick-ass song, musically and politically.

    Why can't we all by brothers
    Why can't we live in peace?
    But the hands of the have-nots
    Keep fallin' out of reach


    Bonus question...

    Which governor's office was beset by all the uncertainty?
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    George Romney, father of Mitt.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    That would be Michigan Governor of George Romney.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    You are both correct.
    Caissa wrote: »
    George Romney, father of Mitt.

    To expand on that a bit, "...father of former Massachusetts governor-now-Utah-senator Mitt."

    There can't be that many families where father and son have between them held three different top-tier political positions in three different states in three geographically disparate regions of the country.
  • PriscillaPriscilla Shipmate
    edited May 2023
    I noticed in the Church Times that George Verwer, the founder of Operation Mobilisation, died back in April.
    He spoke at one of our Christian Union meetings at University 40 years ago. He spoke for an hour and was so riveting that we wanted more. Two of our church friends spent time on the Doulos.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Gordon Lightfoot, folk singer of Canada, has died. Age 84 of natural causes. His family was by his bedside. Mrs Gramps and I went to his concerts. Mrs Gramps, twice. Me once.

    NBC Report
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Gordon Lightfoot, folk singer of Canada, has died. Age 84 of natural causes. His family was by his bedside. Mrs Gramps and I went to his concerts. Mrs Gramps, twice. Me once.

    NBC Report

    Wow. I'm gonna guess that, even just counting Mrs. Gramps alone, her number of attendances is more than any Canadian Shipmate's.

    How did Lightfoot get onto your radar? Did his songs get alot of airplay in the US? The two songs I alluded to here, BDIJ and TWOTEF, portray events that happened at least partly in America.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” and “Sundown” got lots of play in the US. Still do on the sort of stations that play that kind of music.

  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    Those two, and "If You Could Read My Mind" and "Beautiful" (which still gets a lot of play at weddings). I have a bunch of his albums and there are a ton of songs he wrote that didn't get a lot of airplay but are just wonderful. Exhibit 1: Fine As Fine Can Be. Exhibit 2: Sit Down Young Stranger.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Oh, of course—particularly, in my experience, “If You Could Read My Mind.” (“Beautiful” is actually not one I’ve heard so often.)

  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I grew up in the era of folk. I also have lived near the Canadian border most of my life. There was a lot of bleed-over.

    Lightfoot was also known to sing in smaller venues, from coffee houses to high school gyms to stadiums.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    One more comment on Gordon Lightfoot. I think this Wikipedia entry about the Mariners' Church in Detroit fairly describes it:
    Established to serve mariners, the church holds a Blessing of the Fleet every March for those going to sea, and a Great Lakes Memorial Service every November for those who have lost their lives at sea.

    The church's bell tolled 29 times in November 1975 to mourn the loss of the freighter Edmund Fitzgerald; once for each of her 29 crew members. The church continued to hold an annual memorial, reading the names of the crewmen and ringing the church bell until 2006.

    The church is mentioned in Gordon Lightfoot's song "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald", which goes: "In a musty old hall in Detroit, they prayed in the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral. The church bell chimed 'til it rang 29 times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald." In 1985, Lightfoot performed the ballad at the tenth memorial service for the Edmund Fitzgerald. After viewing the sanctuary, Lightfoot proclaimed to the congregation that he wrote the song under a false impression and would in future performances refer to the church as a "...rustic old hall..." On May 2, 2023, the day after Gordon Lightfoot's death, the church's bell tolled 30 times, once for each of the Edmund Fitzgerald's 29 crew members and once in memory of Gordon Lightfoot.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    On May 2, 2023, the day after Gordon Lightfoot's death, the church's bell tolled 30 times, once for each of the Edmund Fitzgerald's 29 crew members and once in memory of Gordon Lightfoot.

    Wow.

    And it makes sense that he would change the lyrics after seeing the church himself. In that song, at least, he evinces a very strong sense of "place", if you get what I'm saying.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    edited May 2023
    Absolutely. Much of the haunting quality of the song is the sense of place:
    When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
    "Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
    At 7 p.m. a main hatchway caved in, he said
    "Fellas, it's been good t'know ya"
  • stetson wrote: »
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    On May 2, 2023, the day after Gordon Lightfoot's death, the church's bell tolled 30 times, once for each of the Edmund Fitzgerald's 29 crew members and once in memory of Gordon Lightfoot.

    Wow.

    And it makes sense that he would change the lyrics after seeing the church himself. In that song, at least, he evinces a very strong sense of "place", if you get what I'm saying.

    I was born in the mid-1960s. It is only as I've been reading the recent outpouring of stories about Lightfoot that I've realized what a chronicler of current events he was. My Lightfoot listening years were (mostly) late enough in my life, and my sense of history poor enough that I didn't realize that he wasn't singing about history, but about the present.

    As a complete aside - I doubt I'm the only one who misheard "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" as "The Wreck of the Ella Fitzgerald". My 10 year old brain was totally mystified.
  • MamacitaMamacita Shipmate
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    One more comment on Gordon Lightfoot. I think this Wikipedia entry about the Mariners' Church in Detroit fairly describes it:
    <snip> On May 2, 2023, the day after Gordon Lightfoot's death, the church's bell tolled 30 times, once for each of the Edmund Fitzgerald's 29 crew members and once in memory of Gordon Lightfoot.

    Thank you for this, Hedgehog. I didn't know about that tribute. It's so fitting it brings me to tears.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    edited May 2023
    East of Ipswich was broadcast on BBC4 yesterday evening, a great televisions drama, by the way, one of the best but I think you have to be old enough to remember the mid 1950s really to get it. It was preceded by a sad announcement that the BBC sympathised with the Palin family in their loss. I gasped. Surely Michael Palin had not died? I did a quick check and discovered that his wife had died either yesterday or the day before.

    I rather seem to remember reading somewhere that they had met when they were about 16 in a setting and circumstances very much like Southwold in the film and been together ever since.

    What a sad but fitting coincidence that this should coincide with the film's being shown.

  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Mehran Karimi Nasseri, who lived for 18 years at Roissy Charles de Gaulle airport has died (at the airport).
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    That happened in November last year.
  • BBC says the novelist Martin Amis has died.
  • Also Pete Brown, who collaborated with Jack Bruce on many classic Cream songs as well as being an underground poet in his own right.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    George Logan, who played Dr Evadne Hinge in the comedy duo Hinge and Bracket, has just died.
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    Hoping that Lily Savage and Dame Edna will ensure the heavenly piano is tuned for the dear lady. There's going to be one heck of a show up there shortly.
  • TelfordTelford Shipmate
    Actor Ray Stevenson has died at the age of 58. He was never going to be an academy award winner but he was perfect as Titus Pullo in the two Rome series.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    BBC says the novelist Martin Amis has died.

    Oh my. Reading some of his short stories at the mo. R.I.P.
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    I can’t take pleasure in the death of anyone, not even someone so vile. But I am glad he can no longer do any damage, and I pray his victims will find some degree of closure.
  • Gill H wrote: »
    I can’t take pleasure in the death of anyone, not even someone so vile. But I am glad he can no longer do any damage, and I pray his victims will find some degree of closure.

    Hear, hear.

    I feel sorry for his family, too, given the memories they have of him.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    Prof Donald Macleod, of the Free Church College, Edinburgh, has died, aged 82.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Gill H wrote: »
    I can’t take pleasure in the death of anyone, not even someone so vile. But I am glad he can no longer do any damage, and I pray his victims will find some degree of closure.

    A very good way to put it.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    Carlton "Sam" Young has died. He was a composer and leader in worship and music studies.

    Sam was commissioned to write an anthem for 1st UMC Kissimmee while I was an alternate organist there. Since a good proportion of the congregation were Disney employees, he added a snippet of 'Whistle While You Work' to the original version of the anthem. When it was published, that snippet was gone, of course! That anthem was also condensed into a hymn which was included in the 1989 UMC hymnal. I still have that original piece of music...somewhere in the house! :joy:

  • Legend Tina Turner has died. Anyone have her on their list?
Sign In or Register to comment.