General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • stetson wrote: »
    My best guess is that it's a line from a song?

    Someday Soon, written and composed by Ian. In fairness, the song is much more closely associated with its most renowned interpreter, Judy Collins.

    Yes, of course. How could I forget the 🐎 🏇 guy!
  • Gee D wrote: »
    I'd agree, and add that Benedict has kept public silence since he retired, keeping well out of the way.

    True, but it’s debatable whether maintaining the Catholic Church’s code of omertà is a good thing. Keeping public silence is one of the biggest criticisms of Ratzinger/Benedict.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Perhaps we should start a thread about him in Purg.
  • He got plenty of airplay when he was Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith…when in doubt don’t bother….
  • I once saw a photo of Ratzinger chatting it up with Jurgen Habermas, a bigwig in the generally-marxist Frankfurt School. Both men seemed to be having a great old time.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    edited January 2023
    Crœsos wrote: »
    True, but it’s debatable whether maintaining the Catholic Church’s code of omertà is a good thing. Keeping public silence is one of the biggest criticisms of Ratzinger/Benedict.
    Is splattering the world with one's every thought about everything and everybody really a laudable quality, either in a Pope or in a media personality/'influencer' or a second rate politician, both the latter being places where such behaviour is all too prevalent?

    Discretion is not a fault. The world would be a great deal better for a bit more omertà and a bit less splattering.

  • Enoch wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    True, but it’s debatable whether maintaining the Catholic Church’s code of omertà is a good thing. Keeping public silence is one of the biggest criticisms of Ratzinger/Benedict.
    Is splattering the world with one's every thought about everything and everybody really a laudable quality, either in a Pope or in a media personality/'influencer' or a second rate politician, both the latter being places where such behaviour is all too prevalent?

    Discretion is not a fault. The world would be a great deal better for a bit more omertà and a bit less splattering.

    Exactly.
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Anita Pointer of the Pointer Sisters has died.
  • MaryLouise wrote: »
    Anita Pointer of the Pointer Sisters has died.

    I remember seeing The Pointer Sisters on the Carol Burnett Show, ca. 1973, singing "Steam Heat". I was an instant fan.
  • Author Fay Weldon, aged 91.
    As I recall she was a popular author with the young women I mixed with in the late seventies/early eighties, but it is years since I have read anything by her.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I vaguely remember a TV adaptation of The Life and Loves of a She-devil back in the day.
  • I actually possess The Life and Loves of a She-devil on DVD! I bought it when revisiting some TV dramas from my youth. It was a good drama for the time.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    TBH, I remember very little about it, except the extreme nastiness of the main character. I can't even remember who any of the cast were.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited January 2023
    The British series (which is apparently close to the book) had Dennis Waterman playing the main character's cheating husband and Patricia Hodge his lover, with bit parts by Miriam Margolyes and Tom Baker. The story is about the wife's revenge.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Indeed. I looked it up after reading your post, and it began to come back to me!
  • I think I've read most of her books. All excellent in their various ways. I think it would have been fun to know her.
  • Cardinal George Pell has died.

    I thought of him the other day, hanging out the clothes. I still don't like the Melbourne Response to child sexual abuse and the protection of the Church at the expense of victims. But I did think I owed him an apology for the vitriol I threw his way at the time he was wrongfully convicted of sexual abuse himself.

    Vale, Cardinal Pell.
  • Not an admirer of Pell. No apology owed to him re imprisonment. He did enormous damage to the institutional Church through aiding and abetting pedophile clergy and by his attitude towards the male and female victims of clerical sexual abuse that being “ why can’t you all shut up and go away?” He was an arch-clericalist and a bully who was more interested in maintaining the power and prestige of the church and his pastoral skills were non existent. No doubt his few remaining groupies will clamour for him to be awarded the martyr’s palm for his ordeal as a guest of Her late Majesty. Better folk than Pell have been wrongfully imprisoned without any apology proffered.
  • The last King of Greece, Constantine II has died, aged 82. Brother of Queen Sofia of Spain, brother-in-law of the Queen of Denmark and nephew of the late Duke of Edinburgh, he was particularly close to his cousin Charles III.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Sojourner wrote: »
    Not an admirer of Pell. No apology owed to him re imprisonment. He did enormous damage to the institutional Church through aiding and abetting pedophile clergy and by his attitude towards the male and female victims of clerical sexual abuse that being “ why can’t you all shut up and go away?” He was an arch-clericalist and a bully who was more interested in maintaining the power and prestige of the church and his pastoral skills were non existent. No doubt his few remaining groupies will clamour for him to be awarded the martyr’s palm for his ordeal as a guest of Her late Majesty. Better folk than Pell have been wrongfully imprisoned without any apology proffered.

    I am not going to mourn his death.
  • Elvis's only child, Lisa Marie Presley has died aged just 54.
  • Ronald Blythe, author of the classsic "Akenfield", has died aged 100.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-64289371

    I will freely admit I wept watching Akenfield - not so much for the evocation of the countryside of 100 years ago, strong as it was, or the real country voices, but for the countryside of my youth in 1970s East Anglia.
  • I agree Sandemaniac - Blythe wrote so evocatively about East Anglia that I felt I knew some of the people in my own life. Akenfield could have easily been my Essex village.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    My late mother-in-law worked with Ronnie in the Colchester library, and he and David corresponded off and on over the years.

    I remember visiting him not long after we married, and him conducting a service in the church at Wormingford, where we used to sing in the choir (and David would join the bellringers) when we were in Essex on holiday.

    A lovely gentleman, may he rest in peace and rise in glory.
  • Soul singer Renae Gayer died yesterday.
  • The world's oldest person, French nun Lucile Randon has died just three weeks short of her 119th birthday.
  • Lomg overdue
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I'm a little over half Sister André's age. I'm not at all sure I'd want to live as long as she did - it would mean having nearly my whole life again, but without the best bit (being married to David). :heartbreak:

    May she rest in peace and rise in glory, reunited with those she loved.
  • David Crosby has died at 81.
  • Oh, that one hurts.
  • He’d been on borrowed time for years; did well to survive for many years after a liver transplant.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oh, that one hurts.

    It really does. On the one hand it's not surprising given his many issues (as @Sojourner points out), and yet this one is hitting me hard.

    Joan Baez posted elsewhere this evening "he could sing the hell out of a harmony." So true.
  • So true, indeed. He was indeed on borrowed time, but his music is so woven into the soundtrack of my life.

    I heard Crosby, Stills and Nash in concert just once—July 4, 1992. It was a highlight night for me.

  • Mamacita wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oh, that one hurts.
    It really does. On the one hand it's not surprising given his many issues (as @Sojourner points out), and yet this one is hitting me hard.

    The 2020s seem like they'll be very hard on the surviving musical stars of the 1960s, if only for purely demographic reasons.
  • Crœsos wrote: »
    The 2020s seem like they'll be very hard on the surviving musical stars of the 1960s, if only for purely demographic reasons.
    I was thinking that only this morning - though for rather selfish reasons.
    They are all of my generation, so with each obituary I hear time's winged chariot drawing ever nearer.

  • We saw Crosby Stills and Nash in Birmingham in 2004. Wonderful songs and harmonies. RIP.
  • It's a big shock. Somewhere I believe they'll go forever. Not so much time's winged chariot, as a big sledgehammer.
  • I meant go on forever.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    The 2020s seem like they'll be very hard on the surviving musical stars of the 1960s, if only for purely demographic reasons.
    I was thinking that only this morning - though for rather selfish reasons.
    They are all of my generation, so with each obituary I hear time's winged chariot drawing ever nearer.

    I know it's obvious, but I had never really considered the increasing number of deaths of friends and people I know as I get older. Now with several having happened, one very close, I'm finding it challenging.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    After we left Orkney, my dad used to send us copies of the local paper, and the first bit we turned to was hatches, matches and dispatches.

    At first, most of the people we recognised were the ones getting married, then the ones having children.

    The people in the Deaths column were the grandparents of my contemporaries; these days it'd be their parents; it's a scary thought that it'll be our turn next.
  • Slightly surprised to be the frirst to mention the death of Sylvia Syms at 89.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64426891

    Also slightly surprised to have Uncle Google think that I was looking for Sylvia Kristel...
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I must confess Sylvia Sims would have been on my "I thought they'd been dead for years" pile.

    RIP.
  • Show biz deaths are coming in fast.

    Lisa Loring, the original Wednesday Addams; Cindy Williams of "Laverne & Shirley" fame; and Annie Wersching, who was in "24" and many other shows, have all died.
  • Kit Hesketh-Harvey, screenwriter, composer and lyricist, dies aged 65.

  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    He was very good in the duo Kit and the Widow
  • Caissa wrote: »

    One of my favorite composers. I'm having a hard time deciding which of his tunes to give a memorial-listen to first. Think I'll go with I Say A Little Prayer.
  • RIP Burt.
  • stetson wrote: »
    Caissa wrote: »

    One of my favorite composers. I'm having a hard time deciding which of his tunes to give a memorial-listen to first. Think I'll go with I Say A Little Prayer.
    That is a really hard one. Picking a favorite may be a four-way tie for me: “I Say A Little Prayer,” “I’ll Never Fall in Love Again,” “A House Is Not a Home” and “One Less Bell to Answer.”

    A playlist it is.

  • Raquel Welch has died.
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