General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    Firenze wrote: »

    I was surprised.

    He'll not be missed.

    Agreed. Not by me, anyway.
  • The question is, assassination or disappearing act?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    The question is, assassination or disappearing act?

    Until shown otherwise, I'm going with "consequential accident".
  • I'm told there was a missile involved.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Something important that nobody in the media seems to have referred to at all, is that several other people were killed in this event, just because they happened to suffer the misfortunate chance of finding themselves in the same aeroplane, including the employees who drew the short straw to be on duty that day. But, if what is being widely conjectured is true, like Dawn Sturgess, they are only 'little people'.

  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Enoch wrote: »
    Something important that nobody in the media seems to have referred to at all, is that several other people were killed in this event, just because they happened to suffer the misfortunate chance of finding themselves in the same aeroplane, including the employees who drew the short straw to be on duty that day. But, if what is being widely conjectured is true, like Dawn Sturgess, they are only 'little people'.

    All passengers seem to have been Wagner-associated in some way, including Pirgozhin's right-hand man. From what we know of them they seem to have been three of Wagner's top men, four bodyguards, and a three member flight crew. It's unknown if the flight crew had any direct ties to Wagner.

    I don't know if a warlord's bodyguards count as 'little people', but this kind of thing is an expected risk of the trade.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Something important that nobody in the media seems to have referred to at all, is that several other people were killed in this event, just because they happened to suffer the misfortunate chance of finding themselves in the same aeroplane, including the employees who drew the short straw to be on duty that day. But, if what is being widely conjectured is true, like Dawn Sturgess, they are only 'little people'.

    All passengers seem to have been Wagner-associated in some way, including Pirgozhin's right-hand man. From what we know of them they seem to have been three of Wagner's top men, four bodyguards, and a three member flight crew. It's unknown if the flight crew had any direct ties to Wagner.

    I don't know if a warlord's bodyguards count as 'little people', but this kind of thing is an expected risk of the trade.

    And as for the flight crew, they must have realized who it was they were flying.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    Samuel J. Wurzelbacher

    Aka Joe The Plumber, the Republican's blue-collar mascot from the 2008 presidential campaign.

    The most memorable impression I took away from that guy was that he didn't seem quite as comfortable in the political arena as his GOP handlers likely figured he'd be. His post-campaign journalism, particularly his trip to Israel, was pretty cringe-worthy.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Something important that nobody in the media seems to have referred to at all, is that several other people were killed in this event, just because they happened to suffer the misfortunate chance of finding themselves in the same aeroplane, including the employees who drew the short straw to be on duty that day. But, if what is being widely conjectured is true, like Dawn Sturgess, they are only 'little people'.
    All passengers seem to have been Wagner-associated in some way, including Pirgozhin's right-hand man. From what we know of them they seem to have been three of Wagner's top men, four bodyguards, and a three member flight crew. It's unknown if the flight crew had any direct ties to Wagner.

    I don't know if a warlord's bodyguards count as 'little people', but this kind of thing is an expected risk of the trade.
    And as for the flight crew, they must have realized who it was they were flying.

    It made me think of the Death Star independent contractors scene from Clerks.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 2023
    Crœsos wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Crœsos wrote: »
    Enoch wrote: »
    Something important that nobody in the media seems to have referred to at all, is that several other people were killed in this event, just because they happened to suffer the misfortunate chance of finding themselves in the same aeroplane, including the employees who drew the short straw to be on duty that day. But, if what is being widely conjectured is true, like Dawn Sturgess, they are only 'little people'.
    All passengers seem to have been Wagner-associated in some way, including Pirgozhin's right-hand man. From what we know of them they seem to have been three of Wagner's top men, four bodyguards, and a three member flight crew. It's unknown if the flight crew had any direct ties to Wagner.

    I don't know if a warlord's bodyguards count as 'little people', but this kind of thing is an expected risk of the trade.
    And as for the flight crew, they must have realized who it was they were flying.

    It made me think of the Death Star independent contractors scene from Clerks.

    That's exactly what I thought of, too.
  • Bob Parker, the American game show host, died, He was 99. I would say most, if not all, American boomers would have watched one of his shows at least once. He hosted Truth or Consequences and the Price is Right. When he first started on the Price is Right he would give away cars that cost $3,500. By the time he retired they were approaching $30,000. He was a strong Animal Rights advocate most of his life. Of note, he was a member of the Rosebud Lakota tribe, though he was born in Washington State.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Bob Parker, the American game show host, died, He was 99. I would say most, if not all, American boomers would have watched one of his shows at least once. He hosted Truth or Consequences and the Price is Right.

    Bob Barker.
  • Damn. All my life, I thought it was Parker.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited September 2023
    Mohamed Al Fayed has died https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66690623
  • Mohammed Fayed bought GOSH it's first MRI scanner.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Really? Perhaps he wasn't such a bad old stick after all ...
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »

    A friend of mine was a big fan, and REALLY liked his books. Never got into them myself.

    Buffet carved out a somewhat interesting niche for himself, musically speaking. Not alot of musicians celebrated the beach-bum lifestyle, without it being tied to surfing or some counterculture phenomenon. And centering his image around Florida was a decidedly square move, by the standards of his era.

    But speaking of counterculture, Buffet did an absolutely kickass version of that aging-hippie anthem Southern Cross. He really made the song his own. (Used to be a great live rendition on YouTube; prob'ly still there.)
  • stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »

    A friend of mine was a big fan, and REALLY liked his books. Never got into them myself.

    Buffet carved out a somewhat interesting niche for himself, musically speaking. Not alot of musicians celebrated the beach-bum lifestyle, without it being tied to surfing or some counterculture phenomenon. And centering his image around Florida was a decidedly square move, by the standards of his era.
    Yeah, I was never a big Jimmy Buffett fan, though some of my friends were. But being of the generation in high school and college when some of his biggest hits came out, I wouldn’t say the Florida/islands image ever struck anyone I knew of as square. It was anything but.
    Meanwhile, a few other recent deaths have come to my attention that seem worth mentioning.

    First, Italian soprano Renata Scotto died on August 16. She was 89. Scotto was a director as well as a singer; in 1987, she became the first woman to star in a production that she also directed (as Cio-Cio-San in Madama Butterfly). The Met’s remembrance of her can be found here.

    The other death may not mean I thing to anyone but me, but I want to note it. The Rev. Dr. Arlo Duba died on June 27 at age 93. He became one of the foremost authorities on worship in what is now the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and over the last 50+ years he had significant impact on liturgical developments in the PC(USA). And that, in turn, has had a significant impact on my life. An obituary can be read here.

  • Bruce Guthro. Better know for his solo career on this side of the Pond. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-66727738
  • AgsAgs Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    Bruce Guthro. Better know for his solo career on this side of the Pond. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-66727738

    Just caught the news on Runrig’s FB page. I’m weeping. Such a beautiful voice and a man with many gifts.


    There must be a place under the sun
    Where hearts of olden glory grow young.

  • An interesting life. I was only glancingly acquainted with some of his work, though I distinctly remember his Macleans columns from my teenage years.
  • One for the "assumed they were already dead" column - Mike Yarwood.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66758400
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Another part of my youth gone. RIP.
  • Yes. A very talented and funny man.
    :cry:
  • I knew of him only through a reference in Yes Prime Minister - Sir Humphrey is caught on tape by the BBC being indiscreet and briefly suggests it was really Mike Yarwood. Now I understand why…
  • I enjoyed his debates between Harold Wilson and Ted Heath back in the early 70s.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »

    A friend of mine was a big fan, and REALLY liked his books. Never got into them myself.

    Buffet carved out a somewhat interesting niche for himself, musically speaking. Not alot of musicians celebrated the beach-bum lifestyle, without it being tied to surfing or some counterculture phenomenon. And centering his image around Florida was a decidedly square move, by the standards of his era.
    Yeah, I was never a big Jimmy Buffett fan, though some of my friends were. But being of the generation in high school and college when some of his biggest hits came out, I wouldn’t say the Florida/islands image ever struck anyone I knew of as square. It was anything but.

    Well, everything's relative. I meant square in the sense of non-counterculture, and I tend to think of Buffet as representing the more leisurely end of the respectable middle-class. Holidaying in Florida with cheesecake tattoos and frozen margaritas has never had quite the same image as hangin' in Haight with zen beads and ganja.

    And I think "parrotheads" gets part of its humour via the contrast between Buffet's fans with the Dead's, IYSWIM.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited September 2023
    Marsupial wrote: »
    An interesting life. I was only glancingly acquainted with some of his work, though I distinctly remember his Macleans columns from my teenage years.

    I rarely if ever read him in Macleans, and I think he might have been gone by the time I started my phase of regularly reading it.

    Never quite bought his whole outsider-infiltratiing-the-establishment persona, and I suspect there were probably at least a few dozen other journalists in Canada who could have hung out and written about the people Newman was covering, if Newman hadn't cottoned onto the idea first. Never read any of that stuff, nor watched the analagous TV shows.

    I DID read Renegade In Power, about Diefenbaker's time in office, and I thought it was quite good, though it did not improve my opinion of Diefenbaker.

    Also the much later The Canadian Revolution, which was...not so good. It pushed a half-baked thesis about how the Mulroney years and free-trade had injected into Canadian politics and society a previously unknown spirit of revolt, but seemed somewhat selective in its examples and ahistorical in its contextualization.

    That book was also padded with fotheringhamish anecdotals, eg. when they opened a prayer room at the BC legislature, it was over-run with wiccans(oh, those crazy BCers!). Also a recollection about a risque bit of conversational one-up-manship with a very high-profile female politician, which I suppose was supposed to come off as dashing, but was just kinda ick.

    And not to belabour things, but in his discussion on Trudeau's opposition to Meech and Charlottetown, he accuses PET of pandering to anti-French and anti-Catholic bigotry. The latter accusation shows just how out-of-touch Newman was with Canadian political culture at the time, because I don't think I heard a single anti-distinct societist, famous or otherwise, frame his or her arguments in terms of opposing Catholicism.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Roger Whittaker has died :(
  • Never would have guessed he was born in Kenya.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited September 2023
    Roger Whittaker has died :(

    I always wondered...

    If the only reason he was remaining in Durham town was that his mother was alive, and now she's dead, why is he sad about leaving?
  • Sad to hear this Mr RoS and I both enjoyed his singing.
    We used to claim he was a near neighbour, as at one time he lived in the same NW Essex district as we did, and we gave a general wave in the direction of the village concerned whenever we drove past. Never actually saw him out and about though.
  • Roger Whittaker has died :(

    Excellent singer of some very good songs
  • stetson wrote: »
    Roger Whittaker has died :(
    I always wondered...

    If the only reason he was remaining in Durham town was that his mother was alive, and now she's dead, why is he sad about leaving?
    I’m not sure that “There’s no cause for me to stay” is quite the same as the only reason he stayed was because his mother was alive. He says his father left (for war, and didn’t come back apparently), the ships have left, his mother left (by dying)—and as he says, “the leavings gonna get me down.” The world he knew has left him.

  • Sad to hear this Mr RoS and I both enjoyed his singing.
    We used to claim he was a near neighbour, as at one time he lived in the same NW Essex district as we did, and we gave a general wave in the direction of the village concerned whenever we drove past. Never actually saw him out and about though.

    Sadly his old pub has long been a private home. Do you remember Dodie Smith's garden?
  • I presume you mean The Red Lion? That was in a different village.
    He seems to have lived in several places in the bits of Essex towards the Herts, Cambridgeshire and Suffolk borders. It's a lovely area, and moving house within it is quite common. We did it ourselves before heading to the south coast.
  • Ah, right, yes I do.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Greenbelt stalwart Pip Wilson has died
  • This is rather late, to say the least, but I just learned today that one of my favorite authors, Anne Perry, died back in April. So sad to hear.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I like her books too Nicole, but there are some people in Christchurch who wouldn't read them because of her and her friend killing the friend's mother when they were teenagers.
  • Huia wrote: »
    I like her books too Nicole, but there are some people in Christchurch who wouldn't read them because of her and her friend killing the friend's mother when they were teenagers.

    There's an interesting early-Peter Jackson movie about that, called Heavenly Creatures. Though the fantasy sequences are somewhat overlong.
  • Yes, I knew about that, but only found out about it when I had already been reading her for years.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    +Keith Argyll & The Isles died this morning, aged (I think) 66. May he rest in peace and rise in glory.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    There's also a biography of Anne Perry by Joanne Drayton, which I read some time ago, and now can't remember much about.
  • NicoleMR wrote: »
    This is rather late, to say the least, but I just learned today that one of my favorite authors, Anne Perry, died back in April. So sad to hear.

    A big favourite with my Dad, with a background at least as interesting as her stories (Anne Perry, not my Dad!).
  • David McCallum, from The Man From U.N.C.L.E, and NCIS.
  • NicoleMR wrote: »
    David McCallum, from The Man From U.N.C.L.E, and NCIS.

    Weird, obscure personal memory...

    In Grade 6, I took a copy of a Man From U.N.C.L.E. tie-in novel from the school library. I never got around to reading it, but one day I had it on my desk, and the teacher came over, looked down at the photos on the cover, and muttered in an offhand, matter-of-fact tone "Illya Kuryakin". When I asked him what that meant, he said that it was the name of the character.

    To this day, I think the only thing I know about that show is that it had a character named Illya Kuryakin. I did see the Guy Ritchie film in the 2010s, but almost nothing of it remained in my mind.
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