My thirty-something daughter has been even more distraught than me over the last few months. Actually she was totally furious about having two ancient white men as the choices offered. So was I.
Sunday, after hearing the announcement about Biden not running for POTUS this time, she was still angry because she said it should have happened a year and a half ago.
Yesterday, we did have a chance to talk again, and she's is actually hopeful, as I am! (I'm actually very excited, and I suspect she'll get to that point very soon.) Her husband is a cradle Republican, who seems to think the Republican Way of the past is the very best. I do think that he doesn't want to vote for Trump, as he refused to vote in the last election. He also (in my opinion based on observation), can't bring himself to vote for a Democrat.
It's very strange, since people assume he's a liberal from his actions. He and my daughter went to an office one time and the owner apologized profusely for having FOX on the TV. He was puzzled about that reaction, and I told my s-i-l that he doesn't have the typical right-wing attitudes in his interactions with people. He denied it, but I gave him a bunch of examples. He growled and didn't say anything else.
He gives me hope, also, that young Republicans like him will choose to not vote (which is sad) or even better, will decide that they are actively going to vote for Kamala!
Last night I saw the first 10 minute (approx) of her speech in Milwaukee. There were laughs, smiles, name mentions and the usual audience pointing and nothing else. Perhaps I missed the substance.
Well, if you only watch the introductory bits, yes, you’re probably going to miss the substance.
I watched it on GB News. They cut off after the bit I saw.
Have I heard right that Ms Harris has never had to contest any position she has held and that November will be her first contest?
My thirty-something daughter has been even more distraught than me over the last few months. Actually she was totally furious about having two ancient white men as the choices offered. So was I.
Sunday, after hearing the announcement about Biden not running for POTUS this time, she was still angry because she said it should have happened a year and a half ago.
Yesterday, we did have a chance to talk again, and she's is actually hopeful, as I am! (I'm actually very excited, and I suspect she'll get to that point very soon.) Her husband is a cradle Republican, who seems to think the Republican Way of the past is the very best. I do think that he doesn't want to vote for Trump, as he refused to vote in the last election. He also (in my opinion based on observation), can't bring himself to vote for a Democrat.
It's very strange, since people assume he's a liberal from his actions. He and my daughter went to an office one time and the owner apologized profusely for having FOX on the TV. He was puzzled about that reaction, and I told my s-i-l that he doesn't have the typical right-wing attitudes in his interactions with people. He denied it, but I gave him a bunch of examples. He growled and didn't say anything else.
He gives me hope, also, that young Republicans like him will choose to not vote (which is sad) or even better, will decide that they are actively going to vote for Kamala!
Last night I saw the first 10 minute (approx) of her speech in Milwaukee. There were laughs, smiles, name mentions and the usual audience pointing and nothing else. Perhaps I missed the substance.
Well, if you only watch the introductory bits, yes, you’re probably going to miss the substance.
I watched it on GB News. They cut off after the bit I saw.
Have I heard right that Ms Harris has never had to contest any position she has held and that November will be her first contest?
No, that is not correct. (That Mike Pence also ran for vice president in 2020 might have been a clue that it’s not correct.)
As far as I can tell, Harris has never had an uncontested election.
My thirty-something daughter has been even more distraught than me over the last few months. Actually she was totally furious about having two ancient white men as the choices offered. So was I.
Sunday, after hearing the announcement about Biden not running for POTUS this time, she was still angry because she said it should have happened a year and a half ago.
Yesterday, we did have a chance to talk again, and she's is actually hopeful, as I am! (I'm actually very excited, and I suspect she'll get to that point very soon.) Her husband is a cradle Republican, who seems to think the Republican Way of the past is the very best. I do think that he doesn't want to vote for Trump, as he refused to vote in the last election. He also (in my opinion based on observation), can't bring himself to vote for a Democrat.
It's very strange, since people assume he's a liberal from his actions. He and my daughter went to an office one time and the owner apologized profusely for having FOX on the TV. He was puzzled about that reaction, and I told my s-i-l that he doesn't have the typical right-wing attitudes in his interactions with people. He denied it, but I gave him a bunch of examples. He growled and didn't say anything else.
He gives me hope, also, that young Republicans like him will choose to not vote (which is sad) or even better, will decide that they are actively going to vote for Kamala!
Last night I saw the first 10 minute (approx) of her speech in Milwaukee. There were laughs, smiles, name mentions and the usual audience pointing and nothing else. Perhaps I missed the substance.
Well, if you only watch the introductory bits, yes, you’re probably going to miss the substance.
I watched it on GB News. They cut off after the bit I saw. Have I heard right that Ms Harris has never had to contest any position she has held and that November will be her first contest?
Not true. She ran in contested elections as the District Attorney in San Fransisco; the Attorney General for California (twice), the Senator from California, and as Vice President of the United States.
No idea where the idea could have come from that she's had a completely uncontested career. That's bizarre.
Possibly a garbled version of not having been through (and won) the primaries.
Which would also be inaccurate. Just because she dropped out of the 2020 Democratic presidential campaign before the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary (the first contests) doesn’t mean she hasn’t been through any primaries. She has.
It sounds ludicrous to me. Women in public life have to fight twice as hard as men to get half the credit. Of course it's just code for 'she doesn't have the right to be here.'
And presumably, there are going to be mountains of right wing trash talk towards Harris. It tends to occur in right wing media, odd, isn't it?
Yes, and after just two days, the Speaker of the House had to scold/warn his GOP caucus against using racist/misogynist language against her. MAGA isn't going to listen, though, so it'll be downright specious.
Probably not. I’d say it was a fortuitous turn of events. But, if he claims it was deliberate, I’ll believe him.
I concur, as I said a couple a page or so back, I think this could be the serendipitous out working here, I just doubt Biden did it deliberately. Although I don't think it impossible.
Some of that stuff goes back years - is that the best (or worst) the pathetic Magas can do?
Yes it's the best they can do.
Will it work?
I don't think so.
Hillary Clinton was a different opponent. Much of this shit worked on her because she already had a large body of haters. Much like Harry and Meghan, I think it is based on mere straw and is the result of a long-running (in the case of HRC, decades worth) of smear campaigning against her.*
Harris has nothing like that. She simply did not have the high profile until 2016 (or 2020 arguably).
However, Kamala has a major disadvantage - the color of her skin. It should not be a factor - of course it shouldn't but it is. This is why I am certain her running mate will be a white man.
Again, this stuff plays very well with the MAGAs but I doubt very much the appeal is wide enough to matter.
Trump (sort of) beat Clinton because there was a constituency who didn't take seriously the threat he was and is who also did not really like Hillary. Now, eight years later, I don't believe Kamala is hated as much as Hillary was and is and everyone has seen was a Trump presidency looks like. Of course, the loud MAGAs tell you it was a eutopia and they want four more years of it but most people are not that deluded.
The combination of deluded cultists and craven, spineless other Republicans could be enough to win. It's far closer than it should be. But I've always believed that a Trump win was overpriced.
The interesting part, which we have alluded to earlier, is that Trump's appeal to the middle ground has been very strongly that Biden is old and confused and cannot run the country. Sadly there are people who are taken in by this, as if Trump is somehow the possessor of greater faculties, mental or otherwise. This narrative was likely having some effect. The problem is that the focus has just disappeared. Now they have to run on Kamala is a black woman, Kamala is no good at anything, No one likes her etc. etc. But the fact that they haven't been able to push the narrative for three years because they thought they were running against Biden is a massive strategic problem for the Trump campaign.
Shame.
(Just my thoughts, from a long way away).
AFZ
*Honestly compels me to admit that HRC also did not help herself. She did not like the press and was often frosty and difficult with them which was not conducive to positive coverage and helped the fan the flames of her being a 'nasty woman' or whatever. That's grossly unfair and she had good reasons for not liking them but it is also true that she didn't play them well.
News outlets here are reporting quite a bit of (sometimes qualified) enthusiasm for Ms Harris on the part of younger voters.
Maybe America will do the right thing, and consign Trump to history (or prison)? Mind you, won't his wrath be fearful, if he does lose again...
At that point none of us will give a shit, with the exception of anybody in security. The rest of us will go out and buy shares in popcorn, which we will eat as we watch him sweat through his next three trials. Assuming he doesn't blow a gasket when he learns he's going to have to go through them, in which case we'll be facing an awkward state funeral...
The other positive thing about Kamala Harris is that everyone KNOWS they are going to have to massively over-compensate for her disadvantages of sex and race when it comes to campaigning, so nobody's likely to sit on their butts when they should be working. I expect the power-up to be massive, because they know it will be needed, given existing racism and sexism.
… everyone KNOWS they are going to have to massively over-compensate for her disadvantages of sex and race when it comes to campaigning, so nobody's likely to sit on their butts when they should be working. I expect the power-up to be massive, because they know it will be needed, given existing racism and sexism.
Oh my.
Everyone thinks you’re massively exaggerating. Everyone wonders why. Everyone wonders about fear and projection replacing reality.
I'm not in a position to say, and you will notice (if you read my post) that I said you may have heard something on GB News.
Did you?
It think it was on GB News. It was an american political commentator. If he was wrong it would be easy to find the names of people she has beat in a contest.
I'm not in a position to say, and you will notice (if you read my post) that I said you may have heard something on GB News.
Did you?
It think it was on GB News. It was an american political commentator. If he was wrong it would be easy to find the names of people she has beat in a contest.
You can look up the contested elections she's been in on Wikipedia.
News outlets here are reporting quite a bit of (sometimes qualified) enthusiasm for Ms Harris on the part of younger voters.
Maybe America will do the right thing, and consign Trump to history (or prison)? Mind you, won't his wrath be fearful, if he does lose again...
At that point none of us will give a shit, with the exception of anybody in security. The rest of us will go out and buy shares in popcorn, which we will eat as we watch him sweat through his next three trials. Assuming he doesn't blow a gasket when he learns he's going to have to go through them, in which case we'll be facing an awkward state funeral...
Sorry to have to disagree, but last time Trump lost he tried to pull off a coup. He will try to incite violence if he loses again. It could be very ugly.
I'm not in a position to say, and you will notice (if you read my post) that I said you may have heard something on GB News.
Did you?
It think it was on GB News. It was an american political commentator. If he was wrong it would be easy to find the names of people she has beat in a contest.
Well, you have only to read this thread, to see what American posters have to say on the subject.
They, of course, know far more about it than you or I on this side of the Pond.
Hearing a lot of junk about Candidate Harris being back but nothing about her being Asian. I guess these people think black is worse than Asian. Lord have mercy.
The rest of us will go out and buy shares in popcorn, which we will eat as we watch him sweat through his next three trials. Assuming he doesn't blow a gasket when he learns he's going to have to go through them, in which case we'll be facing an awkward state funeral...
And assuming that there’s anything left to try in any of those cases, now that the self-described originalists on the Supreme Court have discovered in the Constitution a guarantee of presidential immunity that somehow escaped the attention of everyone, including members of the Supreme Court, for over 230 years.
@Telford I think senior prosecutors are elected in the US aren’t they ?
It depends. In most states, local prosecutors—typically called district attorneys, state/commonwealth attorneys, solicitors, or a few other titles—are elected, but there are a small number of states where they’re not.
State attorneys general are elected in some states and appointed (not always by the governor) in other states.
United States attorneys, who are lead prosecutors in federal judicial districts, are appointed by the president.
Kamala Harris was a district attorney and attorney general in California, where both offices are elected.
2003: 3-way race for San Francisco DA, Harris came in second and then won the run-off, defeating the incumbent
2007: re-elected, ran unopposed
2010: won the Democratic primary (we still had party primaries for state offices) for CA DA, then the general election
2014: finished first in the blanket primary and won the general for reelection as state DA
2016: finished first in the blanket primary and won the general election for US Senator
2020: on the ticket as Biden's VP, won
So that's 9 contested elections, counting primaries. I don't know who said she ran unopposed every time, but they don't know what they're talking about.
@Telford said it was an American political commentator, and that he thought he heard it here on GB News. As @Ruth has pointed out, it appears that that commentator was indeed wrong.
Because regular people like me don’t like to be labeled “racist” or “anti-semite” when we don’t have public evidence out there to disprove it. Also, despite his voice issues, he expresses himself much more clearly than I.
If Trump fails to be re-elected, the first move of the winning candidate will doubtless be to start reining in the Supreme Court to its historical limits. I expect that would ultimately result in certain judgements being overturned, though possibly in a very leisurely manner.
As for hyperbole--
I am a mostly white woman married into an Asian family and having given birth to an Asian son. Please believe me when I say that for as much of the United States as I am familiar with, the racism exists and is real and deep. I have experienced it. Or if you don't care to take my word for it, look at the mere fact that Trump was elected at all--which seems to me a pretty clear backlash against our first ever election of a black man to the presidency. He managed to harness the forces of racism and sexism to win the presidency, a win which would otherwise be completely imcomprehensible. My hope is that he will fail to do so this time, largely because everybody has had a chance to see what he really is already.
@Moyessa, just fyi, it’s good manners internet forum discussion-wise that if you post a video, you include at least a sentence or two describing what it is (so that others can decide whether to click on it), as well as how you think it’s relevant to or adds to the discussion, or illustrates a point you want to make. If someone isn’t willing to do that, I, at least, am generally not willing to watch a video they’ve posted and guess what point is being made. And that’s particularly the case if the video is more than a few minutes long.
It’s also worth remembering that hosts are required to follow all links included in posts and read all articles or watch all videos those links. lead to.
If Trump fails to be re-elected, the first move of the winning candidate will doubtless be to start reining in the Supreme Court to its historical limits. I expect that would ultimately result in certain judgements being overturned, though possibly in a very leisurely manner.
Much easier said than done, I’m afraid. And not a quick process at all.
Because regular people like me don’t like to be labeled “racist” or “anti-semite” when we don’t have public evidence out there to disprove it. Also, despite his voice issues, he expresses himself much more clearly than I.
@Moyessa, please use YouTube clips to support the argument you are putting forward, rather than as a stand-alone point.
An eight minute YouTube clip, preceded (for me at any rate) by two minutes of adverts, without any commentary from you as to what point exactly you are making, and which the clip is posted to support, is not helpful.
...if you don't care to take my word for it, look at the mere fact that Trump was elected at all--which seems to me a pretty clear backlash against our first ever election of a black man to the presidency. He managed to harness the forces of racism and sexism to win the presidency, a win which would otherwise be completely imcomprehensible.
LC
You do not seem to want to take my word for it, but amongst the people I interact with there is the whole spectrum from near-color-blindness to in-group preference which seems to be inborn, IME
Malicious racism ( which I do understand could be hidden from me), I have only ever seen in media dramas.
The fact that you can see no other reasons for the election of DJT might be cause for you to examine the bases of your own analyses IMHO.
The fact that you can see no other reasons for the election of DJT might be cause for you to examine the bases of your own analyses IMHO.
FWIW, I can see other reasons for voting for Donald Trump.
But I see no way to avoid the conclusion that Donald Trump is actively using racist tropes and dog whistles to advance his campaign. I see no way to avoid the conclusion that Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” platform is soaked in racism.
Even if one votes for Trump for other reasons, I see no way to avoid the conclusion that a vote for Trump is a vote to enable and strengthen racism in America, whether the voter intends any racism or not. It may not be the intent, but it is the effect.
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I watched it on GB News. They cut off after the bit I saw.
Have I heard right that Ms Harris has never had to contest any position she has held and that November will be her first contest?
As far as I can tell, Harris has never had an uncontested election.
Not true. She ran in contested elections as the District Attorney in San Fransisco; the Attorney General for California (twice), the Senator from California, and as Vice President of the United States.
Possibly a garbled version of not having been through (and won) the primaries.
Yep.
And even if it were true, what of it?
Yes, and after just two days, the Speaker of the House had to scold/warn his GOP caucus against using racist/misogynist language against her. MAGA isn't going to listen, though, so it'll be downright specious.
GB News is right-wing, so make of that what you will.
At least.
I concur, as I said a couple a page or so back, I think this could be the serendipitous out working here, I just doubt Biden did it deliberately. Although I don't think it impossible.
AFZ
Maybe America will do the right thing, and consign Trump to history (or prison)? Mind you, won't his wrath be fearful, if he does lose again...
Tbh I can live with his fearful wrath when he loses. It’s the fearful wrath when he wins that gives me pause.
Of course, his actions if he does win another term will probably affect us all.
Yes it's the best they can do.
Will it work?
I don't think so.
Hillary Clinton was a different opponent. Much of this shit worked on her because she already had a large body of haters. Much like Harry and Meghan, I think it is based on mere straw and is the result of a long-running (in the case of HRC, decades worth) of smear campaigning against her.*
Harris has nothing like that. She simply did not have the high profile until 2016 (or 2020 arguably).
However, Kamala has a major disadvantage - the color of her skin. It should not be a factor - of course it shouldn't but it is. This is why I am certain her running mate will be a white man.
Again, this stuff plays very well with the MAGAs but I doubt very much the appeal is wide enough to matter.
Trump (sort of) beat Clinton because there was a constituency who didn't take seriously the threat he was and is who also did not really like Hillary. Now, eight years later, I don't believe Kamala is hated as much as Hillary was and is and everyone has seen was a Trump presidency looks like. Of course, the loud MAGAs tell you it was a eutopia and they want four more years of it but most people are not that deluded.
The combination of deluded cultists and craven, spineless other Republicans could be enough to win. It's far closer than it should be. But I've always believed that a Trump win was overpriced.
The interesting part, which we have alluded to earlier, is that Trump's appeal to the middle ground has been very strongly that Biden is old and confused and cannot run the country. Sadly there are people who are taken in by this, as if Trump is somehow the possessor of greater faculties, mental or otherwise. This narrative was likely having some effect. The problem is that the focus has just disappeared. Now they have to run on Kamala is a black woman, Kamala is no good at anything, No one likes her etc. etc. But the fact that they haven't been able to push the narrative for three years because they thought they were running against Biden is a massive strategic problem for the Trump campaign.
Shame.
(Just my thoughts, from a long way away).
AFZ
*Honestly compels me to admit that HRC also did not help herself. She did not like the press and was often frosty and difficult with them which was not conducive to positive coverage and helped the fan the flames of her being a 'nasty woman' or whatever. That's grossly unfair and she had good reasons for not liking them but it is also true that she didn't play them well.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/jul/24/trump-nephew-book-disabled-son-die
Did you?
At that point none of us will give a shit, with the exception of anybody in security. The rest of us will go out and buy shares in popcorn, which we will eat as we watch him sweat through his next three trials. Assuming he doesn't blow a gasket when he learns he's going to have to go through them, in which case we'll be facing an awkward state funeral...
Oh my.
Everyone thinks you’re massively exaggerating. Everyone wonders why. Everyone wonders about fear and projection replacing reality.
It think it was on GB News. It was an american political commentator. If he was wrong it would be easy to find the names of people she has beat in a contest.
You can look up the contested elections she's been in on Wikipedia.
Sorry to have to disagree, but last time Trump lost he tried to pull off a coup. He will try to incite violence if he loses again. It could be very ugly.
Well, you have only to read this thread, to see what American posters have to say on the subject.
They, of course, know far more about it than you or I on this side of the Pond.
It depends. In most states, local prosecutors—typically called district attorneys, state/commonwealth attorneys, solicitors, or a few other titles—are elected, but there are a small number of states where they’re not.
State attorneys general are elected in some states and appointed (not always by the governor) in other states.
United States attorneys, who are lead prosecutors in federal judicial districts, are appointed by the president.
Kamala Harris was a district attorney and attorney general in California, where both offices are elected.
2007: re-elected, ran unopposed
2010: won the Democratic primary (we still had party primaries for state offices) for CA DA, then the general election
2014: finished first in the blanket primary and won the general for reelection as state DA
2016: finished first in the blanket primary and won the general election for US Senator
2020: on the ticket as Biden's VP, won
So that's 9 contested elections, counting primaries. I don't know who said she ran unopposed every time, but they don't know what they're talking about.
The link in the above quote is to an 8 minute video of a portion of a speech by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
@Moyessa, I'm curious about why you posted the link.
As for hyperbole--
I am a mostly white woman married into an Asian family and having given birth to an Asian son. Please believe me when I say that for as much of the United States as I am familiar with, the racism exists and is real and deep. I have experienced it. Or if you don't care to take my word for it, look at the mere fact that Trump was elected at all--which seems to me a pretty clear backlash against our first ever election of a black man to the presidency. He managed to harness the forces of racism and sexism to win the presidency, a win which would otherwise be completely imcomprehensible. My hope is that he will fail to do so this time, largely because everybody has had a chance to see what he really is already.
It’s also worth remembering that hosts are required to follow all links included in posts and read all articles or watch all videos those links. lead to.
Much easier said than done, I’m afraid. And not a quick process at all.
Thanks for that!
@Moyessa, please use YouTube clips to support the argument you are putting forward, rather than as a stand-alone point.
An eight minute YouTube clip, preceded (for me at any rate) by two minutes of adverts, without any commentary from you as to what point exactly you are making, and which the clip is posted to support, is not helpful.
Hostly hat off
North East Quine, Purgatory host
You do not seem to want to take my word for it, but amongst the people I interact with there is the whole spectrum from near-color-blindness to in-group preference which seems to be inborn, IME
Malicious racism ( which I do understand could be hidden from me), I have only ever seen in media dramas.
The fact that you can see no other reasons for the election of DJT might be cause for you to examine the bases of your own analyses IMHO.
But I see no way to avoid the conclusion that Donald Trump is actively using racist tropes and dog whistles to advance his campaign. I see no way to avoid the conclusion that Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” platform is soaked in racism.
Even if one votes for Trump for other reasons, I see no way to avoid the conclusion that a vote for Trump is a vote to enable and strengthen racism in America, whether the voter intends any racism or not. It may not be the intent, but it is the effect.