General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    @Stetson, I didn't know that. I'm having "I have tried, in my way to be free" on mine
  • I do like that @Huia and honestly I've never thought about what epitaph I'd like, I might start thinking about that!!
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    A well-loved history teacher from my high school days. I never had the pleasure of being in his class although his wife taught me history for two years.
    https://brenansfh.com/tribute/details/32995/Richard-G-Thorne/obituary.html#tribute-start
  • Alex Salmond has died.

    I have a small claim to fame. One of his sisters is a friend-of-a-friend and she borrowed my best maternity dress - the one I bought to graduate in - to wear to Holyrood when he was sworn in.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    I was just coming here to post about this.
  • Alex Salmond 69 years. An affable chap who came across well north and south of the Scottish border. His supporters would say that he was dedicated to achieving Scottish independence. I would say that he was dedicated to breaking up the United Kingdom.
  • We have a delightful photo of Alex Salmond, aged about 7 or so, at our friends' house in Linlithgow, wearing a paper hat at a birthday party. Not a great picture, but he is instantly recognisable - he didn't change much!
  • Canadian journalist, editor, and public intellectual Robert Fulford is dead:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books/article-prominent-public-intellectual-robert-fulford-was-a-champion-of/

    I knew his work mainly as editor of Saturday Night, a monthly magazine he edited for many years and was a very influential quality magazine of arts, politics, and culture. Unfortunately it never broke even and eventually was shut down after being taken over by Conrad Black. His memoirs Best Seat in the House make for interesting reading about a particular time as the Canadian cultural world was starting to develop an independent identity.

  • Marsupial wrote: »
    Canadian journalist, editor, and public intellectual Robert Fulford is dead:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books/article-prominent-public-intellectual-robert-fulford-was-a-champion-of/

    I knew his work mainly as editor of Saturday Night, a monthly magazine he edited for many years and was a very influential quality magazine of arts, politics, and culture. Unfortunately it never broke even and eventually was shut down after being taken over by Conrad Black. His memoirs Best Seat in the House make for interesting reading about a particular time as the Canadian cultural world was starting to develop an independent identity.

    A while back on the Canadian politics thread we were discussing him, wondering if he was still alive. (Which, obviously, he was.)

    I think on that thread I mentioned that our high-school social-studies textbooks had an essay by him published during the October Crisis, attacking the imposition of the War Measures Act. While I might not go so far as to describe that as a courageous opinion, it was definitely swimming against the current.

    For the record, Saturday Night was purchased by Black in 1987, but actually lasted until 2005, albeit for a few years as a weekend supplement in Hollinger papers.
  • Liam Payne, Pop star aged 31 years.
    Liam was born and raised in Wolverhampton. He found fame as a member of One Direction. It made him rich but he never found regular happiness and he had a troubled life.

    Some might say he was a glory hunter because he supported my team, West Bromwich Albion.


  • A very sad and premature end - AIUI, he was a young man with considerable talent.
  • A very sad and premature end - AIUI, he was a young man with considerable talent.
    Yes he was. I believe it was a case of far too much fame before he was ready for it
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Poor fellow - may he rest in peace.
  • edited October 2024
    ChastMastr wrote: »

    Oh - that's a bit close to home, though I didn't get into the band until mid-80s. I was a misfit at a rather posh school, and Bruce Dickenson (PDA's replacement) turned up a couple of times at the invitation of the fencing tutor. Not the kind of fencing I ever found myself engaged in.

    Another 70s-80s UK legend is dead - shot-putter and world's strongest man Geoff Capes. Continuing the 'builder' theme he apparently still holds the UK record for throwing a brick.
  • Thema Mothershed Wair, the oldest member of the Little Rock Nine, has died at the age of 83.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 2024
    @mark_in_manchester

    I'm confused. Why did the fencing instructor invite Bruce Dickinson to your school?
  • Dickinson has fenced to a very high level, including training with the Olympic team.

    I've never fenced, but I have hedged...
  • Dickinson has fenced to a very high level, including training with the Olympic team.
    Ah, I see.

    @mark_in_manchester

    Was Dickinson famous at the time he visited your school?
  • Dickinson has fenced to a very high level, including training with the Olympic team.

    I've never fenced, but I have hedged...

    Boooooo! :lol:
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Sad to hear that Ron Ely has died, most famous as Tarzan - another bit of my childhood gone!
  • He actually died last month, but the news has only just been released:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Ely

  • stetson wrote: »
    Dickinson has fenced to a very high level, including training with the Olympic team.
    Ah, I see.

    @mark_in_manchester

    Was Dickinson famous at the time he visited your school?

    He was, yes. Apparently he was more keen to talk to the fencing boys, than fans in 'Eddie' T-shirts - or so a friend told me, who was into fencing. (I played table tennis, because you didn't have to pay extra to do it. I was a poor footballer, and even worse at Rugby though, oddly, no tuition seemed available there. Perhaps those skills are hereditary).
  • Paul Morrissey

    The actual director of all those films billed as "Andy Warhol's [whatever]".

    I think the only films I ever saw by him were half of Andy Warhol's Trash, Mixed Blood, about gang wars in NYC's Alphabet(real 80s thing), and Beethoven's Nephew, about Beethoven's rather unseemly obsession with a young relative. But I'd say the two horror parodies, Andy Warhol's Dracula and Andy Warhol's Frankenstein, along with Spike Of Bensonhurst, were probably his most well-known films.

    Like Warhol, he seems to have been a sexually conservative Catholic harbouring a fascination for the debauched. I read an interview with him from around 2012, in which he denounced the Factory scene as degenerate, insulted Warhol with ablist slurs, and opined that Michelle and Barack Obama were "Mr. And Mrs. Communist".

    Incidentally, the people named in the song Take A Walk On The Wild Side were all members of the Morrissey stable of actors.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited October 2024
    Not known to anyone but a small subset of Australians...

    Sister Theodora (Virginia) of the Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese passed earlier this week. I met her once earlier this year when I visited the monastery she was at. She encouraged me to read alternatively with her Psalms and hymns and prayers at Vespers and at Matins while we waited for the professionals to arrive ha ha (it's a parish church as well as the formerly two monastics) which was a blessing. Memory eternal!
  • Memory eternal!
    I met her just a couple of times when very newly Orthodox but found I had to avoid being "taken over" by her.
  • susie menadue
    Her husband John is perhaps better known to Australians but between them they established and ran the excellent public policy website Pearls and Irritations
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Terri Garr also appeared in one episode of original Star Trek!

    Meanwhile, in Herefordshire, local author Phil Rickman has just died. He wrote the Merrily Watkins novels that we're discussing in Heaven at the moment.
  • Eigon wrote: »
    Meanwhile, in Herefordshire, local author Phil Rickman has just died. He wrote the Merrily Watkins novels that we're discussing in Heaven at the moment.

    Do you have a link? His demise hasn't made it to wikipedia yet. (Possibly not surprising, since his page is VERY sparsely maintained.)
  • Just found something about it on a Facebook page for Rickman. STILL nothing on wiki, though, or, as far as I can tell, any legacy media.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »

    It has occassionally occured to me that in Oh, God! and Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, she played basically the same character, facing the same situation: the much-suffering wife of an otherwise unremarkable man on a frenzied mission to connect humanity with a higher power.

    Other than that, I never saw Young Frankenstein in full until I was in my 30s or 40s, and her performance left little impression on me. Never saw Mr. Mom.
  • stetson wrote: »
    Just found something about it on a Facebook page for Rickman. STILL nothing on wiki, though, or, as far as I can tell, any legacy media.

    As of a minute or so ago, Rickman remains in the present tense on wikipedia. Some curious stuff in the editing section, however.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 2024
    EDIT: Incorrect info posted. As of now, wikipedia still lists Rickman as alive.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 2024
    stetson wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Just found something about it on a Facebook page for Rickman. STILL nothing on wiki, though, or, as far as I can tell, any legacy media.

    As of a minute or so ago, Rickman remains in the present tense on wikipedia. Some curious stuff in the editing section, however.

    The battle on wiki continues, with present-tense currently carrying the day.

    There are now about four or five rather obscure sites reporting the passing of Phil Rickman, but nothing so far that I can find in analog media.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Caitlin Warrior, the administrator of the Phil Rickman Appreciation Society page on Facebook, announced the news. As I'm a member, I saw it pretty much straight away.
    Phil's new book, Echo of Crows, will be coming out shortly.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    Eigon wrote: »
    Caitlin Warrior, the administrator of the Phil Rickman Appreciation Society page on Facebook, announced the news. As I'm a member, I saw it pretty much straight away.

    Oh, I'm sure. But anyone relying on media-of-record or wikipedia would assume he was still alive right now.
  • The BBC has posted their obituary for Phil Rickman.

    Interestingly, they apparently thought it laudatory to mention that he had been praised by Stephen King. Only read the first few pages of The Shining and seen about a dozen movies based on his books, but I personally wouldn't regard King as an arbiter of literary taste. (Though, granted, what I read of The Shining was pretty effective.)
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    stetson wrote: »
    Interestingly, they apparently thought it laudatory to mention that he had been praised by Stephen King. Only read the first few pages of The Shining and seen about a dozen movies based on his books, but I personally wouldn't regard King as an arbiter of literary taste. (Though, granted, what I read of The Shining was pretty effective.)
    I don’t know how you could possibly decide whether to regard an author as an arbiter of literary taste when you’ve only read a few pages of the thousands and thousands of pages that author has written. And surely no one judges a writer’s literary abilities based on a movie adaptation, especially given that movie adaptations often differ from the books they’re based on.


  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Interestingly, they apparently thought it laudatory to mention that he had been praised by Stephen King. Only read the first few pages of The Shining and seen about a dozen movies based on his books, but I personally wouldn't regard King as an arbiter of literary taste. (Though, granted, what I read of The Shining was pretty effective.)
    I don’t know how you could possibly decide whether to regard an author as an arbiter of literary taste when you’ve only read a few pages of the thousands and thousands of pages that author has written. And surely no one judges a writer’s literary abilities based on a movie adaptation, especially given that movie adaptations often differ from the books they’re based on.
    Yes. That's why my statements were intended partly as qualification, not simply as an announcement of credentials. I was kinda throwing it out there to see what those better-versed in the relevant writing might think.

    There are a few writers whose PLOT DEVICES I think I can probably generalize about without having read any of the books, based on what seems to get repeated in film after film of their work. Stephen King is one, Philip K. Dick another. But that only applies to plot, not style.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    I think the idea is that Stephen King is a famous horror writer, and Phil Rickman wrote horror, so Stephen King's opinion was worth listening to on the quality of his work.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    Stephen King’s list of awards is so long it has its own Wikipedia page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Stephen_King

    At the top is a picture of him receiving the US National Medal of Arts.
  • I've just seen an article on local (Oz) ABC that Quincy Jones has died aged 91, working with everyone from Frank Sinatra to Michael Jackson. That was some career!

    @WormInTheGrass there was a lovely tribute to Susie Menadue (I think it was on Pearls and Irritations), which I read every so often.
  • stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Interestingly, they apparently thought it laudatory to mention that he had been praised by Stephen King. Only read the first few pages of The Shining and seen about a dozen movies based on his books, but I personally wouldn't regard King as an arbiter of literary taste. (Though, granted, what I read of The Shining was pretty effective.)
    I don’t know how you could possibly decide whether to regard an author as an arbiter of literary taste when you’ve only read a few pages of the thousands and thousands of pages that author has written. And surely no one judges a writer’s literary abilities based on a movie adaptation, especially given that movie adaptations often differ from the books they’re based on.
    Yes. That's why my statements were intended partly as qualification, not simply as an announcement of credentials. I was kinda throwing it out there to see what those better-versed in the relevant writing might think.

    There are a few writers whose PLOT DEVICES I think I can probably generalize about without having read any of the books, based on what seems to get repeated in film after film of their work. Stephen King is one, Philip K. Dick another. But that only applies to plot, not style.

    Not a big reader of Stephen King myself, but even I wouldn't be willing to say that The Shining and Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption (both of these works have been adapted as films so there may be more general familiarity than with any of King's unadapted works) have the same plot.
  • HedgehogHedgehog Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    Famed illustrator Greg Hildebrandt has died. With his twin brother, they did many popular illustrations as "The Brothers Hildebrandt." I am trying to remember the fantasy book I had growing up with their illustrations. It was not anything Tolkien or Star Wars related.

    Ah! The Sword of Shannara. Yes, that was it.

  • Hedgehog wrote: »
    It was not anything Tolkien or Star Wars related.

    Ah! The Sword of Shannara. Yes, that was it.

    That's basically Tolkien fan fiction, isn't it?

  • Crœsos wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Interestingly, they apparently thought it laudatory to mention that he had been praised by Stephen King. Only read the first few pages of The Shining and seen about a dozen movies based on his books, but I personally wouldn't regard King as an arbiter of literary taste. (Though, granted, what I read of The Shining was pretty effective.)
    I don’t know how you could possibly decide whether to regard an author as an arbiter of literary taste when you’ve only read a few pages of the thousands and thousands of pages that author has written. And surely no one judges a writer’s literary abilities based on a movie adaptation, especially given that movie adaptations often differ from the books they’re based on.
    Yes. That's why my statements were intended partly as qualification, not simply as an announcement of credentials. I was kinda throwing it out there to see what those better-versed in the relevant writing might think.

    There are a few writers whose PLOT DEVICES I think I can probably generalize about without having read any of the books, based on what seems to get repeated in film after film of their work. Stephen King is one, Philip K. Dick another. But that only applies to plot, not style.

    Not a big reader of Stephen King myself, but even I wouldn't be willing to say that The Shining and Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption (both of these works have been adapted as films so there may be more general familiarity than with any of King's unadapted works) have the same plot.

    Well, maybe plot per se was the wrong word. Plot-devices, motifs, etc.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    edited November 2024
    June Spencer (Peggy Woolley in the Archers) has died, aged 105. She retired two years ago. The character she played is due to turn 100 next week.
  • It will be odd to hear the family celebrating Peggy's birthday, coming so soon after today's news.
  • Crœsos wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Interestingly, they apparently thought it laudatory to mention that he had been praised by Stephen King. Only read the first few pages of The Shining and seen about a dozen movies based on his books, but I personally wouldn't regard King as an arbiter of literary taste. (Though, granted, what I read of The Shining was pretty effective.)
    I don’t know how you could possibly decide whether to regard an author as an arbiter of literary taste when you’ve only read a few pages of the thousands and thousands of pages that author has written. And surely no one judges a writer’s literary abilities based on a movie adaptation, especially given that movie adaptations often differ from the books they’re based on.
    Yes. That's why my statements were intended partly as qualification, not simply as an announcement of credentials. I was kinda throwing it out there to see what those better-versed in the relevant writing might think.

    There are a few writers whose PLOT DEVICES I think I can probably generalize about without having read any of the books, based on what seems to get repeated in film after film of their work. Stephen King is one, Philip K. Dick another. But that only applies to plot, not style.

    Not a big reader of Stephen King myself, but even I wouldn't be willing to say that The Shining and Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption (both of these works have been adapted as films so there may be more general familiarity than with any of King's unadapted works) have the same plot.

    The film should have been Raquel Welch and the Shawshank Redemption
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