It will be odd to hear the family celebrating Peggy's birthday, coming so soon after today's news.
Doesn’t tradition demand that the character be killed off behind the scenes?
My mother was always an Archers addict. I may have mentioned this before, but my father (who was, shall we say, not) wound her up somewhat by improvising words to the theme tune. They ran (as I recall)
Old Dan Archer's got a farm
So has Walter Gabriel
Every night when they come home
Their dinner's on the table
Diddly diddly diddly diddly diddly diddly dee
Old Dan Archer's got a farm
So has Walter Gabriel
The long Winter nights just used to fly by...
It's a cunning programme, broadcast when you're too up to your arms in dishwater or busy trying not to burn sausages to immediately turn it off, as one instinctively would. So you get sucked in. I managed to escape again recently once I'd seen George get banged up. How long had the buggers dragged that story out? Eight months?
When I was growing up, we had a radio beside the table, which would be on with the Radio 4 news (usually followed by Dad's Army, All Gas and Gaiters or similar while we had supper. I don't think the Archers tune ever got beyond "dum de dum" before my dad reached the "off" switch ...
Doesn’t tradition demand that the character be killed off behind the scenes?
Not usually immediately!
And not necessarily at all, sometimes they find a substitute to play the part, as they recently did for Robert Snell following the death of Graham Blockey.
I'm sure Peggy's demise is already planned, but they'd have wanted her to get her telegram from the king first.
A wonderful actor.
My thoughts and prayers are for was for his wife Prunella Scales He had been such a support for her through the progress of her dementia.
A wonderful actor.
My thoughts and prayers are for was for his wife Prunella Scales He had been such a support for her through the progress of her dementia.
That was my first thought too. May he rest in peace, and may she be comforted.
Does anyone else remember him as Edward VII, with Annette Crosbie as Queen Victoria, Robert Hardy as Prince Albert and Francesca Annis as Lily Langtry?
A wonderful actor.
My thoughts and prayers are for was for his wife Prunella Scales He had been such a support for her through the progress of her dementia.
That was my first thought too. May he rest in peace, and may she be comforted.
Does anyone else remember him as Edward VII, with Annette Crosbie as Queen Victoria, Robert Hardy as Prince Albert and Francesca Annis as Lily Langtry?
Yes, I do. Brilliant acting on the part of all involved.
Hal Lindsey, the author of Rapture predicting books like The Late Great Planet Earth and The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon, has died at the age of 95.
Hal Lindsey, the author of Rapture predicting books like The Late Great Planet Earth and The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon, has died at the age of 95.
I figured just now that it had been a while since I checked to see if Hal Lindsey was still among the living, so I did a google, saw the news, then came here to see if anything had been posted.
Evangelical pre-mil predates Lindsey by quite some time, and I read somewhere that TLGPE was just his lecture notes from seminary jazzed up for mass consumption. But he definitely pushed it into the public consciousness in the 1970s, and of course, it became an integral part of Christian Zionist propaganda.
I didn't become aware of Lindsey and his ideas until the film of TLGPE came out in 1978, and I know him best through the Spire Christian Comic based on another one of his books.
One thing I always found odd about 70s/80s pre-mil is how many writers there were all copying Lindsey, and saying basically the same thing, even though there shouldn't have been much need for more than one book. As I recall, some devotees read quite a number of the books.
I suspect that Lindsey probably did believe his own predictions, at least at one time, since he apparently didn't anticipate any future problems with a title like 1980s: Countdown To Armageddon.
And for a fun quiz, without googling...
Who narrated the film of The Late Great Planet Earth?
I suspect that Lindsey probably did believe his own predictions, at least at one time, since he apparently didn't anticipate any future problems with a title like 1980s: Countdown To Armageddon.
That's the thing about the Rapture racket; no one ever loses credibility when their predictions don't come to pass. So if you write a book called The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon in 1980, no one will even blink if you follow it up with Planet Earth 2000 A.D.: Will Mankind Survive? in 1994. The long term financial planning Lindsey engaged in would seem to indicate that he was at least willing to hedge his bets on whether his heirs would be around long enough to enjoy the fruits of his mistaken labors.
The only thing I know about Hal Lindsey was that Bob Dylan was very much with his ideas back in the late 1970s.
You might know him better than you think. If you've ever heard someone say something like the Antichrist will be the head of the European Union, that was probably coming from Lindsey.
...Bob Dylan was very much with his ideas back in the late 1970s.
That was presumably during his Christian phase, and the same artistic-period when he wrote Neighbourhood Bully, a whiny lament about Israel's alleged mistreatment by the whole world.
I suspect that Lindsey probably did believe his own predictions, at least at one time, since he apparently didn't anticipate any future problems with a title like 1980s: Countdown To Armageddon.
That's the thing about the Rapture racket; no one ever loses credibility when their predictions don't come to pass. So if you write a book called The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon in 1980, no one will even blink if you follow it up with Planet Earth 2000 A.D.: Will Mankind Survive? in 1994.
I've sometimes wondered if, say, the people reading Countdown To Armageddon in the early 1980s were the same people reading Planet Earth 2000 in the mid-90s. Or if the first batch of readers eventually figures out Lindsey was wrong and politely gets off his bandwagon, only to be replaced by a new generation of dupes.
A premil-skeptic evangelical friend of mine told me he used to lecture church groups on biblical prophecy, and liked to inform them that "There was a guy named Hal Lindsey in the 1980s who was predicting Armageddon by the end of that decade", just to see the uncomfortable squirming among some audience members. Leads me to the conclusion that at least some of his readership were previously unaware of his earlier predictions.
...Bob Dylan was very much with his ideas back in the late 1970s.
That was presumably during his Christian phase, and the same artistic-period when he wrote Neighbourhood Bully, a whiny lament about Israel's alleged mistreatment by the whole world.
Though he seemed to be vague about the interpretation of the song. Is he usually like this in interviews?
Your latest album, Infidels, is hardly subteen fodder. Some critics have even detected a new note of conservatism in some of the songs -- even outright jingoism in "Neighborhood Bully" in which the metaphorical subject is said to be "just one man" whose "enemies say he's on their land." That's clearly a strong Zionist political statement, is it not?
You'd have to point that out to me, you know, what line is in it that spells that out. I'm not a political songwriter. Joe Hill was a political songwriter; uh, Merle Travis wrote some political songs. "Which Side Are You On?" is a political song. And "Neighborhood Bully," to me, is not a political song, because if it were, it would fall into a certain political party. If you're talkin' about it as an Israeli political song - in Isreal alone, there's maybe twenty political parties. I don't know where that would fall, what party.
Well, would it be fair to call that song a heartfelt statement of belief?
Maybe it is, yeah. But just because somebody feels a certain way, you can't come around and stick some political-party slogan on it. If you listen closely, it really could be about other things. It's simple and easy to define it, so you got it pegged, and you can deal with it in that certain kinda way. However, I wouldn't do that. 'Cause I don't know what the politics of Israel is. I just don't know.
So you haven't resolved for yourself, for instance, the Palestinian question?
...Bob Dylan was very much with his ideas back in the late 1970s.
That was presumably during his Christian phase, and the same artistic-period when he wrote Neighbourhood Bully, a whiny lament about Israel's alleged mistreatment by the whole world.
Though he seemed to be vague about the interpretation of the song. Is he usually like this in interviews?
Your latest album, Infidels, is hardly subteen fodder. Some critics have even detected a new note of conservatism in some of the songs -- even outright jingoism in "Neighborhood Bully" in which the metaphorical subject is said to be "just one man" whose "enemies say he's on their land." That's clearly a strong Zionist political statement, is it not?
You'd have to point that out to me, you know, what line is in it that spells that out. I'm not a political songwriter. Joe Hill was a political songwriter; uh, Merle Travis wrote some political songs. "Which Side Are You On?" is a political song. And "Neighborhood Bully," to me, is not a political song, because if it were, it would fall into a certain political party. If you're talkin' about it as an Israeli political song - in Isreal alone, there's maybe twenty political parties. I don't know where that would fall, what party.
Well, would it be fair to call that song a heartfelt statement of belief?
Maybe it is, yeah. But just because somebody feels a certain way, you can't come around and stick some political-party slogan on it. If you listen closely, it really could be about other things. It's simple and easy to define it, so you got it pegged, and you can deal with it in that certain kinda way. However, I wouldn't do that. 'Cause I don't know what the politics of Israel is. I just don't know.
So you haven't resolved for yourself, for instance, the Palestinian question?
Not really, because I live here.
Well, he seems to be leaning a little heavily on "It's not political, because it doesn't endorse a particular political party."
The Battle Hymn Of The Republic doesn't endorse any particular party, either, and there were pro-Union and abolitionist Democrats. Still pretty clearly a song with an agenda.
...Bob Dylan was very much with his ideas back in the late 1970s.
That was presumably during his Christian phase, and the same artistic-period when he wrote Neighbourhood Bully, a whiny lament about Israel's alleged mistreatment by the whole world.
Though he seemed to be vague about the interpretation of the song. Is he usually like this in interviews?
Your latest album, Infidels, is hardly subteen fodder. Some critics have even detected a new note of conservatism in some of the songs -- even outright jingoism in "Neighborhood Bully" in which the metaphorical subject is said to be "just one man" whose "enemies say he's on their land." That's clearly a strong Zionist political statement, is it not?
You'd have to point that out to me, you know, what line is in it that spells that out. I'm not a political songwriter. Joe Hill was a political songwriter; uh, Merle Travis wrote some political songs. "Which Side Are You On?" is a political song. And "Neighborhood Bully," to me, is not a political song, because if it were, it would fall into a certain political party. If you're talkin' about it as an Israeli political song - in Isreal alone, there's maybe twenty political parties. I don't know where that would fall, what party.
Well, would it be fair to call that song a heartfelt statement of belief?
Maybe it is, yeah. But just because somebody feels a certain way, you can't come around and stick some political-party slogan on it. If you listen closely, it really could be about other things. It's simple and easy to define it, so you got it pegged, and you can deal with it in that certain kinda way. However, I wouldn't do that. 'Cause I don't know what the politics of Israel is. I just don't know.
So you haven't resolved for yourself, for instance, the Palestinian question?
Not really, because I live here.
Well, he seems to be leaning a little heavily on "It's not political, because it doesn't endorse a particular political party."
The Battle Hymn Of The Republic doesn't endorse any particular party, either, and there were pro-Union and abolitionist Democrats. Still pretty clearly a song with an agenda.
Agreed. I wonder what he’d say now? Someone could ask him.
I hope I haven't missed it upthread, but I saw a couple of weeks ago that Barbara Taylor Bradford has died. I never read any of her works, but remember lending her fat novels at the public library in my very first job.
One example that I remember seeing. Terry Griffiths was playing a very delicate shot which required a deft tap on the cue ball. The rules state that if you don't touch the ball with your cue you can have another go. In this case he did touch it but the referee and the TV cameras didn't pick it up. He stood up and said what had happened. The referee awarded a foul shot against him and the other player had a go. Terry quite rightly got the plaudits for his honesty and integrity.
From the land of Oz, John Marsden, author and educator has died, followed by Michael Leunig, cartoonist, philosopher and perhaps mystic. Rest In Peace.
That is genuinely sad, though at 100, not very surprising. Not my country and my opinion is of little, if any, value but I've long felt he was a much better president and a much better human being than he has been given credit for.
That is genuinely sad, though at 100, not very surprising. Not my country and my opinion is of little, if any, value but I've long felt he was a much better president and a much better human being than he has been given credit for.
That is genuinely sad, though at 100, not very surprising. Not my country and my opinion is of little, if any, value but I've long felt he was a much better president and a much better human being than he has been given credit for.
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My grandparents were avid fans of the Archers in both of her spells
Doesn’t tradition demand that the character be killed off behind the scenes?
My mother was always an Archers addict. I may have mentioned this before, but my father (who was, shall we say, not) wound her up somewhat by improvising words to the theme tune. They ran (as I recall)
Old Dan Archer's got a farm
So has Walter Gabriel
Every night when they come home
Their dinner's on the table
Diddly diddly diddly diddly diddly diddly dee
Old Dan Archer's got a farm
So has Walter Gabriel
The long Winter nights just used to fly by...
It's a cunning programme, broadcast when you're too up to your arms in dishwater or busy trying not to burn sausages to immediately turn it off, as one instinctively would. So you get sucked in. I managed to escape again recently once I'd seen George get banged up. How long had the buggers dragged that story out? Eight months?
And not necessarily at all, sometimes they find a substitute to play the part, as they recently did for Robert Snell following the death of Graham Blockey.
I'm sure Peggy's demise is already planned, but they'd have wanted her to get her telegram from the king first.
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/13/timothy-west-star-of-stage-screen-and-television-dies-aged-90
My thoughts and prayers are for was for his wife Prunella Scales He had been such a support for her through the progress of her dementia.
Does anyone else remember him as Edward VII, with Annette Crosbie as Queen Victoria, Robert Hardy as Prince Albert and Francesca Annis as Lily Langtry?
Yes, I do. Brilliant acting on the part of all involved.
Oh no. God bless him.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/tony-campolo-bestselling-author-and-evangelist-dies-at-89.html
I did hear him once, many years ago, and (like many others) was impressed.
I Liked John Prescott but he was the Deputy who was not allowed to deputise.
I figured just now that it had been a while since I checked to see if Hal Lindsey was still among the living, so I did a google, saw the news, then came here to see if anything had been posted.
Evangelical pre-mil predates Lindsey by quite some time, and I read somewhere that TLGPE was just his lecture notes from seminary jazzed up for mass consumption. But he definitely pushed it into the public consciousness in the 1970s, and of course, it became an integral part of Christian Zionist propaganda.
I didn't become aware of Lindsey and his ideas until the film of TLGPE came out in 1978, and I know him best through the Spire Christian Comic based on another one of his books.
One thing I always found odd about 70s/80s pre-mil is how many writers there were all copying Lindsey, and saying basically the same thing, even though there shouldn't have been much need for more than one book. As I recall, some devotees read quite a number of the books.
I suspect that Lindsey probably did believe his own predictions, at least at one time, since he apparently didn't anticipate any future problems with a title like 1980s: Countdown To Armageddon.
And for a fun quiz, without googling...
Who narrated the film of The Late Great Planet Earth?
The late 1970s seem to have been a rough time for old thespians desperate for work. Olivier in The Jazz Singer, Gielgud in Caligula...
That's the thing about the Rapture racket; no one ever loses credibility when their predictions don't come to pass. So if you write a book called The 1980's: Countdown to Armageddon in 1980, no one will even blink if you follow it up with Planet Earth 2000 A.D.: Will Mankind Survive? in 1994. The long term financial planning Lindsey engaged in would seem to indicate that he was at least willing to hedge his bets on whether his heirs would be around long enough to enjoy the fruits of his mistaken labors.
Maybe for his performance, but the film itself was widely panned.
But, okay. Let's say Inchon for Olivier.
You might know him better than you think. If you've ever heard someone say something like the Antichrist will be the head of the European Union, that was probably coming from Lindsey.
That was presumably during his Christian phase, and the same artistic-period when he wrote Neighbourhood Bully, a whiny lament about Israel's alleged mistreatment by the whole world.
I've sometimes wondered if, say, the people reading Countdown To Armageddon in the early 1980s were the same people reading Planet Earth 2000 in the mid-90s. Or if the first batch of readers eventually figures out Lindsey was wrong and politely gets off his bandwagon, only to be replaced by a new generation of dupes.
A premil-skeptic evangelical friend of mine told me he used to lecture church groups on biblical prophecy, and liked to inform them that "There was a guy named Hal Lindsey in the 1980s who was predicting Armageddon by the end of that decade", just to see the uncomfortable squirming among some audience members. Leads me to the conclusion that at least some of his readership were previously unaware of his earlier predictions.
Though he seemed to be vague about the interpretation of the song. Is he usually like this in interviews?
https://web.archive.org/web/20071001200332/https:/www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938701/bob_dylan_the_rolling_stone_interview/
Well, he seems to be leaning a little heavily on "It's not political, because it doesn't endorse a particular political party."
The Battle Hymn Of The Republic doesn't endorse any particular party, either, and there were pro-Union and abolitionist Democrats. Still pretty clearly a song with an agenda.
Agreed. I wonder what he’d say now? Someone could ask him.
Excellent professional
https://kennebecasis.funeraltechweb.com/tribute/details/33139/Chester-Young/obituary.html#tribute-start
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/29/jimmy-carter-dead-longest-lived-us-president
This. A good man, and a good life.
A good summary and I totally agree.