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  • Some of you may have heard of (or even read) this curious old book:

    Lord of the World is a 1907 dystopian science fiction novel by Robert Hugh Benson that centres upon the reign of the Antichrist and the end of the world. It has been called prophetic by Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI.


    Musk cannot be the Antichrist, as he is not by any means a universally-beloved character.

    Yet.

    Wasn’t expecting to come across RH Benson in this thread I must admit! Now the Bensons were *odd*…
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Thank Christ I don't believe any more. I take pleasure in doing my job, in the dark, in, around, up and below the church. Walking along the river at night, and up the unlit lane from it. Not frightened of my own weakness of mind letting in the demons. Saying good evening to the odd guy I encounter.

    There is enough suffuse light, even up the tower stairs, although admittedly I used the phone light going down.

    I did collide with a tree the flood had left on the tow path mind. The freezing canal would have quickly released me.

    Watching the 2nd rate The Burning Girls. Great cast. That thing with Anna Maxwell-Martin, Midwinter of the Spirit, 10 x better. Threlfall!

    Ooh! Good... revelation. A first rate wrapping up despite all the critique on the way.

    Campfire stories are good aren't they.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Thank Christ I don't believe any more.

    Aaaand here we go...
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Thank Christ I don't believe any more.

    Aaaand here we go...

    Only if people take the bait.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Campfire stories are good aren't they.
    This is a friendly suggestion that we stay on topic for this thread.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    edited January 10
    mousethief wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    Oh, I didn’t mean intentionally copying Alice Cooper himself—just the whole “spooky” vibe.

    (Interestingly, the real Alice Cooper is a committed Christian, and into golf, of all things.)

    And if I recall, a flaming sexist and transphobe.

    (Googles "Alice Cooper trans" and finds the genuinely awful comments from 2023, including the "what if a guy wants to go into a women's bathroom" canard)

    Oh, Alice, no... :(

    (It's possible to disagree with various notions of trans ontology and not be a jerk about it. This does not appear to be what Alice did. I am sad.)
  • @stetson said
    Oh, I know. I'm just a fetishist

    Me too! We must chat about --
    for keeping comparisons chronologically plausible.

    --Aw. Never mind. :silly:
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Campfire stories are good aren't they.
    This is a friendly suggestion that we stay on topic for this thread.

    Sir. Elon Mucking Fusk. Yes. Not the Antichrist and Satan, invoked allegorically at most above. No.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Ruth wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Thank Christ I don't believe any more.

    Aaaand here we go...

    Only if people take the bait.

    It was meant to preface the rest of Martin's post, based on his opening line.
  • Dafyd wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Campfire stories are good aren't they.
    This is a friendly suggestion that we stay on topic for this thread.

    Crap, sorry, I was replying to stuff before reading the rest of the thread... mea culpa!!
  • I'm seeing more of the Muskmobiles (aka the Tesla Cybertrucks) every day. My God, they're ugly. And they look to me like they're driving backwards, just because of the shape, for some reason.

    This amuses me, however:

    https://www.wired.com/story/this-is-why-teslas-stainless-steel-cybertrucks-may-be-rusting/
    Who knew untreated stainless steel might not be such a good idea for the exterior of a motor vehicle, especially considering that cars typically get left sitting outside in all weather for 95 percent of their lives? The whole automotive industry, that's who.

    ...

    The documentation says: “To prevent damage to the exterior, immediately remove corrosive substances (such as grease, oil, bird droppings, tree resin, dead insects, tar spots, road salt, industrial fallout, etc.). Do not wait until Cybertruck is due for a complete wash. If necessary use denatured alcohol to remove tar spots and stubborn grease stains, then immediately wash the area with water and a mild, non-detergent soap to remove the alcohol.”

    ...

    The washing stipulations alone include, somewhat amazingly, “Do not wash in direct sunlight,” “Some cleaners and car shampoos contain chemicals that can cause damage or discoloration,” and even “Do not use hot water.”

    As the Saturday Night Live sketch years ago said, "Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmqeZl8OI2M
  • It's odd because stainless steel is supposed to be ... < checks notes > .... stainless. Apparently they used the cheapest steel that can still be called "stainless steel" (or close to it). Color me surprised.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel.

    If that's your definition, I think that in the age of the internet, there can be no Antichrist. Heck you can even talk to people on the streets about the gospel, and hand out tracts or bibles as you please. There is nothing preventing the proclamation of the gospel. Now, you can define "proclamation of the gospel" in such a way that led prayers or proselytization by adults in school is "proclamation of the gospel," but you would be wrong. But perhaps that's a topic for another thread.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    In relation to EVs, as @Hugal noted there's a range of (generally) less expensive options from both European and Far East manufacturers. Tesla had a head start with being among the first EVs, and possibly more importantly technology for rapid charging with longer range, but other manufacturers have caught up. Also, the advantage of the extensive Tesla-exclusive charging network has been eroded by the rapid expansion of rapid and ultra-rapid charging networks that are available for all EVs. The Tesla brand still carries a certain amount of prestige, but not enough to make up for the higher prices compared to other manufacturers for the majority of drivers. It doesn't help that some recent Tesla models are not legal in Europe (the Cybertruck being the big example, it would be illegal to drive in Europe). The lack of a dashboard in some models doesn't appeal to a lot of drivers (who wants to keep looking to the side to check speed?), or replacing the steering wheel with a yoke meaning you can't steer the car as we were all taught - which look like an attempt to make the cars look cool rather than reflect how people actually drive.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    It's odd because stainless steel is supposed to be ... < checks notes > .... stainless. Apparently they used the cheapest steel that can still be called "stainless steel" (or close to it). Color me surprised.

    But it isn't stainless. It is just more resistent to rust than plain steel. In fat, it means that the very outer layer is more resistent to rust. So for (say) sinks where the main danger is sitting water, it is perfect - it retains its look and is easily wipable. And for surgical instruments, where they are rarely subjected to physical damage, but do clean up very well, it is ideal.

    For, say, a car, where it will get scratches and pits that will break the surface layer - well, that would be ridiculous.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    edited January 10
    Back to EFM. He's an evil lying moron at the top layer of the pyramid of sin, i,e, the abuse of power. The trouble is the enlightened are powerless in the face of such populism and, above all, markets. As Starmer-Reeve are finding out. They're done. Watch Johnson.

    As for our Elon, he hates the British enlightened above all. Which shows how decent they are.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    The trouble is the enlightened are powerless in the face of such populism and, above all, markets. As Starmer-Reeve are finding out. They're done. Watch Johnson.

    I wouldn't make any long-term predictions about Starmer's political fortunes right now. He's only been in office six months, and a lull in popularity won't neccessarily last till the next election.

    If anything, I think Musk might be overestimating how much voters care about what he, as an individual, has to say about things. It's probably better for any cause or candidate he supports that he keep his mouth shut.
  • The UK government is indeed trying hard to carry on clearing up the mess left by the previous regime, and (I very much suspect) hates having to waste time discussing Musk's ravings.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    stetson wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    The trouble is the enlightened are powerless in the face of such populism and, above all, markets. As Starmer-Reeve are finding out. They're done. Watch Johnson.

    I wouldn't make any long-term predictions about Starmer's political fortunes right now. He's only been in office six months, and a lull in popularity won't neccessarily last till the next election.

    If anything, I think Musk might be overestimating how much voters care about what he, as an individual, has to say about things. It's probably better for any cause or candidate he supports that he keep his mouth shut.

    The economy cannot possibly recover in 4 years with Trump waging global trade war.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited January 10
    The UK government is indeed trying hard to carry on clearing up the mess left by the previous regime

    By selling the NHS data to this chap[*] : https://www.ft.com/content/a46cb128-1f74-4621-ab0b-242a76583105
    This chap being Peter Thiel, who wrote the article linked to. Dafyd Hell Host

    Snippets as it is behind a paywall, and I suspect a lot of people won't be able to access it:

    In 2016, President Barack Obama told his staff that Donald Trump’s election victory was “not the apocalypse”. By any definition, he was correct. But understood in the original sense of the Greek word apokálypsis, meaning “unveiling”, Obama could not give the same reassurance in 2025. Trump’s return to the White House augurs the apokálypsis of the ancien regime’s secrets. The new administration’s revelations need not justify vengeance — reconstruction can go hand in hand with reconciliation. But for reconciliation to take place, there must first be truth.
    ..
    In that spirit, Morens and former chief US medical adviser Fauci will have the chance to share some indecent facts about our own recent plague. Did they suspect that Covid spawned from US taxpayer-funded research, or an adjacent Chinese military programme? Why did we fund the work of EcoHealth Alliance, which sent researchers into remote Chinese caves to extract novel coronaviruses? Is “gain of function” research a byword for a bioweapons programme? And how did our government stop the spread of such questions on social media?

    [*] With Wes Streeting claiming that anyone objecting to such a deal is part of the 'tin foil brigade'
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    The antiChrist from the Apocalypse comes from within the church and it prevents the proclamation of the gospel. During the Reformation, the Papacy was identified as the antiChrist of its time. Now, with the reproachment of the various denominations, the papacy may not be the antichrist of today. Myself, I think the antichrist lies in the bureaucracy of the institution.

    The figure who is 666 can be a number of possibilities. The way I look at it is in Biblical numerology, 7 is the perfect number. Could refer to Christ. Now, if one puts a decimal point between the first six and the last two sixes, one can begin to see 6.66 is not quite perfect. Revelation says many people will follow 666, but in the end, they will be disappointed. To me, Trump fits that category. He is extremely narcissistic. He can do no wrong. He is smarter than any of his generals, He can end wars within a day (though is chief negotiator thinks it will take 100 days). He is not above using force to take Greenland and the Panama Canal. He is the most imperfect leader in the free world at this time.

    Musk, to me, will burn himself out. Either that, or the EU countries will find a way to shut him up.

    Of note, Tesla sales are slumping in the US, but they have tanked in Europe. I wonder why. Once Tesla was the darling of the pro-environment (liberal) crowd. Now, not so much.

    The EU will not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about. Particularly certain individual countries. As to Tesla. There are plenty of European car manufacturers making EVs

    The EU is nothing. And nobody wants 25% tariff EVs. How will certain individual countries not stand for Musk or Trump messing them about? When they're doing nothing about Putin re-devouring Europe?

    Some European countries are helping out Zelenskyy. France has shown that they don’t want either of the two messing about with their politics. Let them do what he likes in the US. As I have often said The EU can provide many many things from within the 27 countries. There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Gas.
  • The UK government is indeed trying hard to carry on clearing up the mess left by the previous regime

    By selling the NHS data to this chap[*] : https://www.ft.com/content/a46cb128-1f74-4621-ab0b-242a76583105

    Snippets as it is behind a paywall, and I suspect a lot of people won't be able to access it:

    In 2016, President Barack Obama told his staff that Donald Trump’s election victory was “not the apocalypse”. By any definition, he was correct. But understood in the original sense of the Greek word apokálypsis, meaning “unveiling”, Obama could not give the same reassurance in 2025. Trump’s return to the White House augurs the apokálypsis of the ancien regime’s secrets. The new administration’s revelations need not justify vengeance — reconstruction can go hand in hand with reconciliation. But for reconciliation to take place, there must first be truth.
    ..
    In that spirit, Morens and former chief US medical adviser Fauci will have the chance to share some indecent facts about our own recent plague. Did they suspect that Covid spawned from US taxpayer-funded research, or an adjacent Chinese military programme? Why did we fund the work of EcoHealth Alliance, which sent researchers into remote Chinese caves to extract novel coronaviruses? Is “gain of function” research a byword for a bioweapons programme? And how did our government stop the spread of such questions on social media?

    [*] With Wes Streeting claiming that anyone objecting to such a deal is part of the 'tin foil brigade'

    I think I ought to mention that this article is by the ever-vile Peter Thiel. Yikes.

  • mousethief wrote: »
    It's odd because stainless steel is supposed to be ... < checks notes > .... stainless. Apparently they used the cheapest steel that can still be called "stainless steel" (or close to it). Color me surprised.

    "Stainless steel" isn't. The idea that stainless steel doesn't rust is just a lie. It resists certain forms of corrosion, which is why it gets its name, but pretty much all grades of stainless steel are vulnerable to MIC, to halide-catalyzed corrosion, and so on.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks
  • Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    Maybe he means "Gasoline" in reply to "There is little need to get stuff from elsewhere. Some, but not that much"?

    @Martin54, can you clarify?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    The UK government is indeed trying hard to carry on clearing up the mess left by the previous regime

    By selling the NHS data to this chap[*] : https://www.ft.com/content/a46cb128-1f74-4621-ab0b-242a76583105

    Snippets as it is behind a paywall, and I suspect a lot of people won't be able to access it:

    In 2016, President Barack Obama told his staff that Donald Trump’s election victory was “not the apocalypse”. By any definition, he was correct. But understood in the original sense of the Greek word apokálypsis, meaning “unveiling”, Obama could not give the same reassurance in 2025. Trump’s return to the White House augurs the apokálypsis of the ancien regime’s secrets. The new administration’s revelations need not justify vengeance — reconstruction can go hand in hand with reconciliation. But for reconciliation to take place, there must first be truth.
    ..
    In that spirit, Morens and former chief US medical adviser Fauci will have the chance to share some indecent facts about our own recent plague. Did they suspect that Covid spawned from US taxpayer-funded research, or an adjacent Chinese military programme? Why did we fund the work of EcoHealth Alliance, which sent researchers into remote Chinese caves to extract novel coronaviruses? Is “gain of function” research a byword for a bioweapons programme? And how did our government stop the spread of such questions on social media?

    [*] With Wes Streeting claiming that anyone objecting to such a deal is part of the 'tin foil brigade'

    I think I ought to mention that this article is by the ever-vile Peter Thiel. Yikes.

    I think that's the point. @chrisstiles is saying that Thiel wants to buy out the NHS, and is pointing to that article as an example of why Thiel is the kinda person who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near UK health care.

    (Though I was also confused at first. I initially thought maybe "this chap" referred to someone else, and Thiel's article was criticizing that person.)
  • stetson wrote: »
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    The UK government is indeed trying hard to carry on clearing up the mess left by the previous regime

    By selling the NHS data to this chap[*] : https://www.ft.com/content/a46cb128-1f74-4621-ab0b-242a76583105

    Snippets as it is behind a paywall, and I suspect a lot of people won't be able to access it:

    In 2016, President Barack Obama told his staff that Donald Trump’s election victory was “not the apocalypse”. By any definition, he was correct. But understood in the original sense of the Greek word apokálypsis, meaning “unveiling”, Obama could not give the same reassurance in 2025. Trump’s return to the White House augurs the apokálypsis of the ancien regime’s secrets. The new administration’s revelations need not justify vengeance — reconstruction can go hand in hand with reconciliation. But for reconciliation to take place, there must first be truth.
    ..
    In that spirit, Morens and former chief US medical adviser Fauci will have the chance to share some indecent facts about our own recent plague. Did they suspect that Covid spawned from US taxpayer-funded research, or an adjacent Chinese military programme? Why did we fund the work of EcoHealth Alliance, which sent researchers into remote Chinese caves to extract novel coronaviruses? Is “gain of function” research a byword for a bioweapons programme? And how did our government stop the spread of such questions on social media?

    [*] With Wes Streeting claiming that anyone objecting to such a deal is part of the 'tin foil brigade'

    I think I ought to mention that this article is by the ever-vile Peter Thiel. Yikes.

    I think that's the point. @chrisstiles is saying that Thiel wants to buy out the NHS, and is pointing to that article as an example of why Thiel is the kinda person who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near UK health care.

    (Though I was also confused at first. I initially thought maybe "this chap" referred to someone else, and Thiel's article was criticizing that person.)

    I was confused too. Thank you!
  • stetson wrote: »
    (Though I was also confused at first. I initially thought maybe "this chap" referred to someone else, and Thiel's article was criticizing that person.)

    How far down did you have to read before you realise it was just logorrhoea and conspiracy tropes?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    @mousethief

    You wrote
    Now, you can define "proclamation of the gospel" in such a way that led prayers or proselytization by adults in school is "proclamation of the gospel," but you would be wrong.
    .

    First of all, public schools are not the place for religious instruction. Our constitution clearly states
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    Up to now, SCOTUS has also applied this to state governments. Reading Agenda 2025 gives me the impression conservatives may want to change this, unfortunately.

    Second, to me, when I say the antichrist prevents the proclamation of the Gospel, it is from within the structure of the church. An example in the Orthodox tradition is how the Russian Orthodox Church supports the policies of Putin, rather than standing up to his power. The Atlantic had a piece on how the hardline policies of the Russian Patriarch just may split the Orthodox community.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.
  • Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    Do you mean, "Gasoline is a major thing that needs to come from elsewhere"? (I think that's what you mean but I'm not sure.)
  • (I thought you called it "petrol" over here and "gas" is the US term. Unless you mean "natural gas" rather than "gasoline"?)
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited January 11
    stetson wrote: »
    (Though I was also confused at first. I initially thought maybe "this chap" referred to someone else, and Thiel's article was criticizing that person.)

    How far down did you have to read before you realise it was just logorrhoea and conspiracy tropes?

    About thirty seconds. I can't remember if I noticed his name OR the content of the article first. But once I had absorbed both, I figured it wouldn't be the kind of thing you'd be posting except with the article itself presented as symptomatic.

    (FWIW, the wet-market hypothesis has always seemed to me the most plausible, and the lab-leak a little too "Hollywood." But I vaguely recall hearing respectable people say the lab-leak theory deserves at least some consideration. So I wouldn't automatically write off any and all pro-LL arguments as conspidacy fantasy. Taking all things into account, that Thiel piece seemed to tilt towards the implausible, though if I'm not mistaken, it was appearing in a relatively august publication. Financial Times, I think?)
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    (I thought you called it "petrol" over here and "gas" is the US term. Unless you mean "natural gas" rather than "gasoline"?)

    One of those double-meaninged words that are especially annoying for ESL teachers. Especially given that, unlike, say, "rock" meaning "solid mineral" vs. "rock" meaning "sway", the two meanings of "gas" are close enough to preclude a sharp delineation.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    It's odd because stainless steel is supposed to be ... < checks notes > .... stainless. Apparently they used the cheapest steel that can still be called "stainless steel" (or close to it). Color me surprised.

    But it isn't stainless. It is just more resistent to rust than plain steel. In fat, it means that the very outer layer is more resistent to rust. So for (say) sinks where the main danger is sitting water, it is perfect - it retains its look and is easily wipable. And for surgical instruments, where they are rarely subjected to physical damage, but do clean up very well, it is ideal.

    For, say, a car, where it will get scratches and pits that will break the surface layer - well, that would be ridiculous.

    I have tableware made of steel that has never rusted or stained no matter how many times I run it through the dishwasher, with its rather abrasive action and heavyduty detergent. Clearly "it isn't stainless" is an overstatement.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    @mousethief

    You wrote
    Now, you can define "proclamation of the gospel" in such a way that led prayers or proselytization by adults in school is "proclamation of the gospel," but you would be wrong.
    .

    First of all, public schools are not the place for religious instruction. Our constitution clearly states
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    Yes. Not sure why you thought I needed being told this.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    ChastMastr wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    Do you mean, "Gasoline is a major thing that needs to come from elsewhere"? (I think that's what you mean but I'm not sure.)

    Methane. The British economy is 2nd rate because, amongst other things, we have no storage capacity. And we are economically alienated from the EU. From all our neighbours. One of the other things.
  • stetson wrote: »
    So I wouldn't automatically write off any and all pro-LL arguments as conspidacy fantasy. Taking all things into account, that Thiel piece seemed to tilt towards the implausible, though if I'm not mistaken, it was appearing in a relatively august publication. Financial Times, I think?)

    Yes, it was published in the FT, and newsworthy in the manner of 'powerful person has crazy ideas'. It wasn't merely confined to lab leaks either, the full article is worth tracking down, just for the sheer levels of unhinged-ness.
  • I'm not a great fan of the National Anthem, but this verse has started to appeal:

    O Lord our God arise,
    Scatter his enemies
    And make them fall;
    Confound their politics,
    Frustrate their knavish tricks,
    On Thee our hopes we fix,
    God, save us all!

    As there's far too much 'politics' and 'knavish tricks' around atm.
  • Yes, highly appropriate...
    :wink:
  • Sighthound wrote: »
    I'm not a great fan of the National Anthem, but this verse has started to appeal:

    O Lord our God arise,
    Scatter his enemies
    And make them fall;
    Confound their politics,
    Frustrate their knavish tricks,
    On Thee our hopes we fix,
    God, save us all!

    As there's far too much 'politics' and 'knavish tricks' around atm.

    Amen.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.
  • Martin54Martin54 Suspended
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »
    Martin54 wrote: »
    Gas.

    Did I not say some things. I think I did. I would appreciate it if you read my post properly before answering. Thanks

    I did. Thanks. Gas is not a little. Thanks.

    I am guessing you understood what I meant.

    No.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Steve Bannon attacks Musk for being "racist" and "truly evil"!!

    So far beyond "pot" and "kettle" as to be laughable even by the current standards...
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    That's hilarious. And it makes me feel like I'm in a junior high cafeteria when two kids start to scuffle and we form a circle around them and yell, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    edited January 12
    I particularly "liked" the multiple varieties of hypocrisy inherent in "everybody knows all white South Africans are racist, they should go back where they came from!"
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