Maybe not so much a friendship as an admiration

The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
I think I've come to a realization that someone I typically describe or list as a friend is actually someone I really admire, but with whom I don't actually share a mutual feeling or understanding of friendship. I say I "think" I've come to that realization, because as much as it resonates with me as a bit of an 'a-ha,' I don't really want it to be true. Anyway, I'm mulling it over. I suppose very few relationships enjoy 100% balance, but the lopsidedness of this particular friendship (there I go again) seems more and more palpable. I don't count many friends in general, let alone close(-r) friendships -- I'm an introvert ("I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel.") -- so this is troubling me a fair bit at present. Maybe we've always been acquaintances? That seems odd, too. Ah well, Life's changes keep surprising, anyway.

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  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    I don't think friendship in general is always two-sided or symmetrical, nor that friend/unfriend is a strict binary choice. That said, if someone chooses to spend time with you, on the telephone or in person, then there is probably something to it.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited May 3
    I imagine it is also possible to confuse unrequited love with unbalanced friendship.
  • The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
    Ha! Well, yes. I mean, that’s not the case in my situ, but I see what you mean.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited May 4
    I know my wife makes friends much easier than me. I often meet new people on her shirttails. She has a good sense of choice.'

    I had much closer friends in the past. Kids I grew up with in the neighborhood and went through school together. We had common interests and pursued common activities. We were able to support each other when we faced common problems. That was one of the attractions of Facebook when I first joined it. It allowed me to reconnect with some of those people. But now, many of them have passed on.

    I don't think friendship is about a strong love though. The Greek concept of phileo best describes how I felt about such people.

    In a couple of weeks, I will be going to a reunion of my junior college classmates. I went through the LCMS gymnasium educational system way back in the time of the dinosaurs. I am having some mixed feelings about going to it. We are all much older. I had a brief encounter with some of them last year when we got together to celebrate the 50th anniversary of my former roommate's ordination. I was surprised how healthy I was compared to some of them, even though I have some serious back issues.

    I do need people I am close too, but the friends I have now are much different than the friends I grew up with. I still have friendly relations with new people. Just not as strong as the friends of the past.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    We have many acquaintances but only about a dozen very close friends (over 50 years).

    The phrase “through thick and thin” probably sums up the enduring nature of these relationships. They’ve been for us and with us in tough times, and vice versa. Also through our changes of understanding and behaviour as we’ve got older.

    Also we can both laugh and cry with one another.

    Such relationships have great and abiding value. It’s a privilege to have them.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    edited May 5
    I moved from North to South three years ago and soon found who my real friends were. From quite a big group (ten or so) three have turned out to be the ones who phone/ write/text/visit - and I do the same with them. It wasn't clear before the move who would stay in touch.

    I'm the last three years I've got to know many people (I'm a joiner - not the woodworking type!) and Mr Boogs has got to know them though me. He's very much an introvert.

    I've made one really close friend. We were both in need of friendship and found we got on incredibly well and have the same interests. We are at the 'wander in and call without knocking on the door' and 'I'm having a coffee on the patio, come and join if you're free' stage. I'm very fond of her. She makes me laugh and smile. Luckily Mr Boogs gets on with her too.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    When I was doing the Onion Dome (2002-2012), I ended up with a lot of "admirers" in my FB friends list. They're pretty much all gone now, except a very small handful.
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    When I was doing the Onion Dome (2002-2012), I ended up with a lot of "admirers" in my FB friends list. They're pretty much all gone now, except a very small handful.

    I miss that.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    I had a few of these over the past year. They fizzled out which was probably for the best as my admiration got out of control -- in my head mainly, occasionally in my words. Not saying yours will go this way, just sharing my current struggles. I am quite insecure and down on myself so if I connect with someone the admiration can be quite strong.

    There is a forming acquaintanceship which due to distance and its current level of interaction hasn't reached the peaks of admiration the others did.

    I wish you, and any others, all the best.
  • ZoeZoe Shipmate
    Barnabas62 wrote: »
    We have many acquaintances but only about a dozen very close friends (over 50 years).

    A dozen close friends, even between a couple, seems like an enormous number to me. I had two people I would count as such, but one died last year. I'm not sure my boyfriend would count anybody as a close friend. He has one very long-standing friend, but not sure when they were last in touch let alone when they last met.

  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Zoe

    Maybe our age has something to do with it? Whatever, we reckon we’re very fortunate to have so many which have endured.

    I guess friendships need to be fostered as well. But there’s an old saying that when in trouble you find out who your real friends are.
  • quetzalcoatlquetzalcoatl Shipmate
    Yes, a dozen friends blows my mind. That's my total for my whole life. And most of them have fallen off the perch. Ah well, I have dozens of memories.
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    I am old; my friends keep dying off. It is sad. I moved three years ago, and I am thankful that I have made three new friends, but I miss the very close relationships I had with several who have passed. On the other hand, I am still in contact with a friend I met in first grade and went through school with. Although she now lives far away in another country, we keep in touch.
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    I think if I considered my friends, each and every relationship is their own peculiar thing, to the point that I don't always know if I understand what "friendship" really means.

    If I feel I can comfortably be myself around people with relatively minimal masking or adjusting, that works, but often there are people who matter a lot to me who - because of gaps in time or interaction - that being around them requires a bit more adjusting. And I still regard these as friends.

    I think sometimes I just bend around people and friendship is more of a flickering moment or a kairos that comes and goes. It's possible with anyone, given enough pressure and effort. But for most people it's not worth the investment.

    I try to be friendly as I can. And I think I've learned not to get too attached to people. It always freaks me out a little when people seem attached to me. I think I was raised not to think much of myself.
  • BullfrogBullfrog Shipmate
    I imagine it is also possible to confuse unrequited love with unbalanced friendship.

    Oof. Been there, done that. Outgrew the habit, thank goodness, though I did pick up what turned out to be some very genuine friends along the way.
  • HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
    As you grow older, watch yourself. Are you making friends who are younger?
  • Gill HGill H Shipmate
    Recently I've become familiar with the rather wonderful TV series Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Its central character sees fantasy musical numbers in her mind (many of which have fascinating psychological insights hidden in razor-sharp pastiches and parodies). Other characters also have musical numbers, although we never find out why.

    One of the characters, Darrell, sings a song to one of his employees, Paula, entitled "You're My Best Friend (And I Know I'm Not Yours)". It's funny and rather sweet but it expresses a truth I don't hear often - that most friendships are not 50/50.

    A friendship where one person does all the taking and the other all the giving is not healthy, of course. But maybe more friendships are unbalanced than we like to think.
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    I do have one friend who prides herself in saying, "One of my gifts is that I can talk to anyone." The problem is that she does indeed do all the talking.
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    I moved from North to South three years ago and soon found who my real friends were. From quite a big group (ten or so) three have turned out to be the ones who phone/ write/text/visit - and I do the same with them. It wasn't clear before the move who would stay in touch.

    I would be wary of thinking that "real friends" are only the ones who keep in touch once you move away. I have some friends I've lost touch with for years because of a physical move, and when we've met up we've picked up where we left off. And some friendships are real, but for a season. I've lost touch with some people completely; it doesn't mean they weren't precious friends at the time.

    But regarding the "unbalanced" nature of some friendships, I totally agree. I have one friend (now moved away) who, when we met up, described me as her "bestie". This rather threw me as it's not the way I feel about her :astonished: ...
  • HarryCH wrote: »
    As you grow older, watch yourself. Are you making friends who are younger?

    I'm not sure I follow you - watch out you make some younger friends, or you'll run out of friends? I volunteer in a museum and have made quite a few friends who are 20-30 years older than me. Church likewise. And I am in my middle 50s. I foresee getting a fair bit of wear out of my suit over the next few years.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    That's my problem! I don't know why it is, but somehow I wind up with friends my own age or considerably older--and it's no good saying "don't make friends with older people," because that's just who happens to be around, esp. with a husband who's 20 years older than I am. I don't run out of friends, because there are always new old people, if you know what I mean; but there's no denying the death thing hurts.

    I probably ought to get myself back into community college or something, to balance things out a bit.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Nenya wrote: »
    I would be wary of thinking that "real friends" are only the ones who keep in touch once you move away. I have some friends I've lost touch with for years because of a physical move, and when we've met up we've picked up where we left off. And some friendships are real, but for a season.
    Yes, very much this.


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