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But seriously, quite a historical moment.
But seriously, quite a historical moment.
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In fact the questioner thought it highly likely that they would jump from Leo XII to Leo XIV, because who would choose XIII? I did provide them with a quick potted history of Leo XIII including, of course, his shilling for a cocaine-infused wine.
I have been listening off and on to several reports about Leo. Did you hear that the house he grew up in in Chicago cost his parents $2.00 a month? His father was French. His mother was Italian. Is it any surprise he is a polyglot?
Theologically, I think he will tend to be a conservative pope. He has been critical of Peru wanting to teach its students gender education. On the other hand, he has been very critical of Trump's immigration policies.
Mrs Gramps tells me Leo's mother was a librarian. Mrs Gramps is also a librarian.
But I know I am getting old when Leo is the first Pope that is younger than me.
This morning, sparked by @Gramps49's comment above, I double-checked. This is the first pope who is only old enough to be my father (just!), and not my grandfather.
I wish him good luck and good health; he may need both.
It occurs to me that here and else where, we often refer to popes by their initials and number, so we'd all know who JP II and B XVI, the current pope presents a bit of a problem as LXIV, which makes him 64
Will you still need him, will you still feed him, when he's LXIV?
Still, it is comforting to know Leo XIV has experience in supporting hopeless causes.
Get your coat Sanders!
You will not be surprised to hear that my coat is on permanent standby.
And the door is always open...
I'll also get my coat ......
I would expect to hear Francis referred to as “the first pope from the Americas,” or the like.
This is so tiresome. You know very well I and the new pope are Americans in the sense of being United States citizens, while Francis was not.
Pope Leo is a citizen, as I understand it, of the USA, Peru, and presumably, the Vatican. He is the first person from the USA or Peru to become Pope. He is not the first person from the Americas or the Western Hemisphere. That is the point the media sources were making and I agree with them.
One is careful not include Scotland or Wales within the casual use of England or English. It behoves citizens of the USA to remember that they should be more sensitive about a their usage that assumes Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Argentina Peru and other points north or south are included in the way they refer to themselves.
And for the record, the people of the US didn’t casually assume they can appropriate the entirety of two continents to describe themselves. It was the British who by the mid-to-late 17th Century were using America to refer to North American British colonies only, and American to refer to English-speaking residents of those colonies.
Thank you for the reprimand. I assume you’ll also be taking this up with the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Dutch, the Russians, the Japanese, Arabic and Hindi speakers, and all the others whose languages use cognates of American as the demonym for the US. You might take it up with the OED while you’re at it.
@Ruth is right; it really is tiresome.
Mexico is officially Estados Unidos Mexicanos, abbreviated EU in print headlines when I was first learning Spanish. My country is Estados Unidos de América, EE.UU.
When Italians in the crowd at St. Peter's the other day were saying "Americano?!?" in puzzled voices, no one thought they were talking about both American continents.
You're being deliberately rude, @Enoch. You are not in a position to lecture Americans, or anyone else, about sensitivity. Keep it up and I'll see you in Hell.
jedijudy
Heaven Host.
-- Francis had never *really* been Pope, and that Benedict continued to execute his Papal office right up to his death
-- All of the Cardinals that Pope Francis elevated were mere proxies for the 'real' cardinals who worked with Benedict behind the scenes
-- Pope Leo's recent election is invalid because it counted votes by Francis' proxy cardinals, and not Benedict's real cardinals
-- The RCC still has no Pope, and that there is a civil war within the Vatican between to two groups of cardinals
-- The religion that Francis practiced was a new, anti-Catholic religion sanctioned by the DAVOS Group
So, you know... exciting times.
The noun “América” is frequently used in Spanish to refer to all the Americas, so there is some potential for confusion is someone calls the US anything other the EEUU (or Estados Unidos, at least outside of Mexico (formally called Estados Unidos Mexicanos)).
What we should really be discussing is whether or not is appropriate to call Pope Francis Argentinian instead of Argentine
I’ve only heard this use of “Americano” inside the United States (I’ve never heard it among my half-siblings’ families in Peru and Ecuador), and only among Latin American immigrants to the US and not from their children or grandchildren. I think it is a racial shorthand to refer to what most Anglophone Americans mean when they say “white” (which itself, for them, is shorthand for “white non-Hispanic”, not that it should be used that way).
Of course this is offensive and I corrected my dad over and over again, but he kept talking that way.
Thanks for the clarification on that point.
As an aside “America” as a noun is uncommon in Canadian English - it would be either “the Americas” (for the continents) or “the United States” (or an abbreviation thereof) for the country.
Dear God, is there no limit to the lunacy some people will believe?
PS: could folk please, pretty please, stop arguing about words on this thread? It really is, like really, tiresome!
"Francis" appeared in the National Catholic Reporter and it looks like you can sample it here.
It also appears on the GoComics website, but you probably will not be able to access the archives there without paying GoComics some money.
I don't know what she would have thought of Leo XIV, of course, but I think she would have been cautiously optimistic...
That person has shared repeatedly that they are a young earth Creationist, so to me the scandal of the sun is secondary.
Ah, bonkers!
Interesting article in the Spectator this week (yes, I know) which posits Vatican ‘liberals’ having a fit of the vapours over the last week that they’ve accidentally elected a Latin loving closet-traditionalist.
Yes, and I think that's what my Auntie S would say, were she still in this Vale of Tears...