Of course, what one wants is a very early Easter so one can get to those last and rarely visited Sundays After Trinity!
Incidentally I looked at the (UK) Methodist Lectionary, it goes as you'd expect through the Sundays of Easter to Pentecost and Trinity Sunday ... but the following Sunday isn't the 1st after Trinity but the 12th in Ordinary Time. This continues up to the 33rd in Ordinary Time, then the Sunday Before Advent followed by Advent itself. I don't get it!
Of course, what one wants is a very early Easter so one can get to those last and rarely visited Sundays After Trinity!
Unless you’re following the Revised Common Lectionary, where the readings after Pentecost are tied to the calendar week, e.g., “Proper 8” is the Sunday closest to June 29. That means a late Easter results in missing the first readings after Pentecost.
Incidentally I looked at the (UK) Methodist Lectionary, it goes as you'd expect through the Sundays of Easter to Pentecost and Trinity Sunday ... but the following Sunday isn't the 1st after Trinity but the 12th in Ordinary Time. This continues up to the 33rd in Ordinary Time, then the Sunday Before Advent followed by Advent itself. I don't get it!
“Ordinary Time” is the term used by the Roman Catholic Church. It’s also used, along with “Sundays after Epiphany” or “after Pentecost,” in the PC(USA), and probably by others.
The Sunday after Epiphany is technically the first Sunday in Ordinary Time, though it’s never called that; it’s called the Baptism of the Lord. The following Sunday is the Second Sunday in Ordinary Time. If the last Sunday before Ash Wednesday in a given year is, say, the Seventh Sunday in Ordinary Time, the first Sunday after Pentecost will be the the Eighth Sunday in Ordinary Time (but will called Trinity Sunday).
Designating Sundays as being “after Trinity” is unique in my experience to Anglican churches. The Episcopal Church here in the U.S. used to do it, but doesn’t anymore.
Today at the Presbyterian Association of Musicians’ Worship &Music Conference, the hymns were:
“All with Joyful Exaltation” (Ps. 30)/YISRAEL V’ORAITA
“Goodness is Stronger than Evil”/GOODNESS IS STRONGER
“All Who Hunger, Gather Gladly”/HOLY MANNA
“What Does the Lord Require of You?”/MOON
“Jesu, Jesu, Fill Us with Your Love”/CHEREPONI
Designating Sundays as being “after Trinity” is unique in my experience to Anglican churches. The Episcopal Church here in the U.S. used to do it, but doesn’t anymore.
Except for those few cranky 1928 prayer book holdouts...
e.g. St. John's Detroit or St. John's Savannah
or the Missal-based parishes like S. Clement's Philadelphia.
Today at the Presbyterian Association of Musicians’ Worship &Music Conference, the hymns were:
“All with Joyful Exaltation” (Ps. 30)/YISRAEL V’ORAITA
“Goodness is Stronger than Evil”/GOODNESS IS STRONGER
“All Who Hunger, Gather Gladly”/HOLY MANNA
“What Does the Lord Require of You?”/MOON
“Jesu, Jesu, Fill Us with Your Love”/CHEREPONI
What, no metrical psalms??? Call yourself a Presbyterian?????!!!
... Except for those few cranky 1928 prayer book holdouts...
David and I got married according to the (English) 1928 Prayer Book, and very lovely it was too.
Rev'd Rosie has been messing about with the service booklets and now we appear to be in "ordinary time" rather than "Sundays after Trinity".
If it ain't broke, why does she have to try and fix it???
Designating Sundays as being “after Trinity” is unique in my experience to Anglican churches. The Episcopal Church here in the U.S. used to do it, but doesn’t anymore.
Except for those few cranky 1928 prayer book holdouts...
e.g. St. John's Detroit or St. John's Savannah
or the Missal-based parishes like S. Clement's Philadelphia.
Today at the Presbyterian Association of Musicians’ Worship &Music Conference, the hymns were:
“All with Joyful Exaltation” (Ps. 30)/YISRAEL V’ORAITA
“Goodness is Stronger than Evil”/GOODNESS IS STRONGER
“All Who Hunger, Gather Gladly”/HOLY MANNA
“What Does the Lord Require of You?”/MOON
“Jesu, Jesu, Fill Us with Your Love”/CHEREPONI
What, no metrical psalms??? Call yourself a Presbyterian?????!!!
Well, I never claimed this was a group of good Presbyterians. You know how naughty musicians can be.
Today, the hymns were:
“Shall We Gather at the River”/HANSON PLACE
“Just as I Am”/WOODWORTH
“Sometimes a Light Surprises”/SALLEY GARDENS
In connection with another thread, this morning’s service was a service of healing and wholeness. @Alan29, anointing was offered for those who wanted it.
Looking ahead to Sunday, when Our Place is observing the Feast of St Peter and St Paul:
Captains of the saintly band (Harts* is the tune set in the Orange Book)
Something from The Sheet Our Father (Caribbean - yet again - why? ) Our God loves us (Plaisir d'amour) Thy hand O God has guided (Thornbury)
*For those who, like me, are unfamiliar with Harts, here it is:
PICARDY is an interesting choice there - we use REGENT SQUARE which is quite a contrast.
PICARDY is what our hymnal sets it to. I find it to be an exquisite pairing of text and tune.
Today, at the last service of the conference (there will be a concert for all choirs and instrumental groups tonight), the hymns/songs were:
* And there’s a metrical psalm, @Piglet.
** A Civil Rights era song, which fit well with the sermon on the parable of the persistent widow and the unrighteous judge. It was accompanied only by one drummer.
*** Accompanied by organ, a brass ensemble and tympani, except for verse 3, which was a cappella. Quite something when sung by (I’d estimate) 800–900 voices, all quite comfortable singing in parts.
Despite it being the day of our Patronal Festival*, we had:
All creatures of our God and King - Lasst Uns Erfreuen Jesus, stand among us - K*ndr*ck I stand amazed in the presence - My Saviour's Love May the fragrance of Jesus fill this place - more K*ndr*ck From the very depths of darkness - Battle Hymn of the Republic**
* at least the sermon was about St Peter.
** after the penultimate verse (of 6 or 7 - I lost count) the organist obviously lost the will to live, and stopped playing. I can't say I blame her ...
Despite it being the day of our Patronal Festival*, we had:
All creatures of our God and King - Lasst Uns Erfreuen Jesus, stand among us - K*ndr*ck I stand amazed in the presence - My Saviour's Love May the fragrance of Jesus fill this place - more K*ndr*ck From the very depths of darkness - Battle Hymn of the Republic**
* at least the sermon was about St Peter.
** after the penultimate verse (of 6 or 7 - I lost count) the organist obviously lost the will to live, and stopped playing. I can't say I blame her ...
O dear. Not a good selection. I'm not sure what we had at Our Place (I'm waiting for my Spy to report), but one from the Orange Book which would have been appropriate at @Piglet's place is Praise to God for saints and martyrs (In Babilone or Ton-y-Botel).
All creatures of our God and King is a good sing, and so is Michael Forster's From the very depths of darkness (there are 6 verses) - but maybe to the tune set first in the Orange Book (Cameron's, by Christopher Tambling, though I can't find a suitable link, perhaps because copyright). The Battle Hymn of the Republic always seems to me to require the accompaniment of the Horns and Drums of the Dark Tower of Mordor.
I don't know I stand amazed in the presence, but I see that it's not exactly recent - it was written and composed by W H Gabriel, who died in 1932.
“To God be the glory” - its own tune.
“The Spirit lives to set us free” - Walk i n the light.
“Make me a captive, Lord” - Leominster.
“Freedom and life are ours” - From strength to strength.
“And can it be?” - Sagina.
Our Place sang the selection I mentioned earlier, though my Spy can't recall the words of the Hymn From The Sheet, except that it was to a well-known tune, and all about St Peter!
Captains of the saintly band was sung to H J Gauntlett's tune University College, perhaps more often used in the C of E for Oft in danger, oft in woe:
Feast weekend in the village. Fete yesterday, parade service today, with remembrance ( as on 11th November) at the war memorial outside St Peter’ s church, followed by service inside.
All people that on earth do dwell- Old 100th
Psalm 150 - Stanford in C.
For all the saints - Sine Nomine
Will your anchor hold?
Thy hand O God has guided - Thornbury
Jerusalem
National Anthem
Feast weekend in the village. Fete yesterday, parade service today, with remembrance ( as on 11th November) at the war memorial outside St Peter’ s church, followed by service inside.
All people that on earth do dwell- Old 100th
Psalm 150 - Stanford in C.
For all the saints - Sine Nomine
Will your anchor hold?
Thy hand O God has guided - Thornbury
Jerusalem
National Anthem
Rise, my soul, the Lord is risen Worthy of every song we could ever sing I want to know you, Jesus my Lord Here I am once again (pour out my heart) Wonderful grace (a new one to me)
Patronal Festival at Our Place. Must have been over 30 in the choir, though several were Quite Small.
Mass Setting: Missa Brevis in D K194 Mozart.
Anthem: Give us the wings of faith Whitbourn
Hymns were unusual:
As the deer pants for the water
Thou art the Christ, O Lord (love unknown)
Amazing Grace
All the earth must tell the story (Abbots Leigh)
Loved singing the Mozart, which was new to me. Kinda sings itself, and we took the Gloria at a delightfully breakneck speed. Love the 'Dona nobis pacem' section in the Agnus.
The Whitbourn was an easy sing, really effective, first bit of Whitbourn I've sung, and I'd like to do more.
Feast weekend in the village. Fete yesterday, parade service today, with remembrance ( as on 11th November) at the war memorial outside St Peter’ s church, followed by service inside.
All people that on earth do dwell- Old 100th
Psalm 150 - Stanford in C.
For all the saints - Sine Nomine
Will your anchor hold?
Thy hand O God has guided - Thornbury
Jerusalem
National Anthem
A nice selection, bar the last two.
In the event, Thy hand O God was cut out. Words were provided on screens.
No Boys’ Brigade, but the usual colour parties from Scouts, Beavers etc. The Scout nearly wrecked the big screen in the chancel and the Beaver nearly took the Brownie’s eye out. Apart from that, all went well.
It's popular at Our Place, and is generally the final hymn on Sea Sunday. I didn't know about the connection with the Boys' Brigade (which in our case also we have not got).
Taking a break on Exmoor, and visited the little church of St John in Countisbury on the north Devon coast path for their short, contemplative evening service on the theme of hospitality and welcome - particularly to the stranger.
Thirteen of us sang just the one hymn to a recorded organ backing track - Martyn Haugen's Let Us Build A House Where Love Can Dwell (All Are Welcome)
No morning bookings so a nice early HC but country Evensong tonight for St Peter's Day.
Thou art the Christ O Lord (Gopsal)
Forsaken once and thrice denied (Saffron Walden)
Jesus calls us (St Andrew)**
O rock of ages one foundation (St Clement)
**the congregation were told to sing "As of old St Peter heard it" instead
of St Andrew hearing it 😳
Singing was good tonight and they belted out "St Clement" to a rather obscure text about St Peter.
I went to the earlier said Mass yesterday. The only singing was the Alleluia before the gospel and after communion the priest led everyone in the traditional eucharistic one sentence song "O sacrament most holy," sung thrice by all. The RC rubrics say that the Alleluia and Sanctus etc have to be always sung but I don't know any parishes where that happens.
I usually play at the 11.00, so it was lovely to sit with and communicate with my wife - it rarely happens, though during my recent illness I was brought communion both in hospital and at home and we both communicated and were both anointed, as she is waiting open heart surgery.
I was at Norwich Cathedral for the ordination of deacons yesterday. Good selection of hymns, songs, and anthems from the breadth of the tradition in the Church of England. Best of all was to sing 'Blessed Assurance' as the final hymn. I've never encountered it in a cathedral before, and the unity and joy from the congregation lifted the heart. Great work from the Precentor.
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Incidentally I looked at the (UK) Methodist Lectionary, it goes as you'd expect through the Sundays of Easter to Pentecost and Trinity Sunday ... but the following Sunday isn't the 1st after Trinity but the 12th in Ordinary Time. This continues up to the 33rd in Ordinary Time, then the Sunday Before Advent followed by Advent itself. I don't get it!
“Ordinary Time” is the term used by the Roman Catholic Church. It’s also used, along with “Sundays after Epiphany” or “after Pentecost,” in the PC(USA), and probably by others.
The Sunday after Epiphany is technically the first Sunday in Ordinary Time, though it’s never called that; it’s called the Baptism of the Lord. The following Sunday is the Second Sunday in Ordinary Time. If the last Sunday before Ash Wednesday in a given year is, say, the Seventh Sunday in Ordinary Time, the first Sunday after Pentecost will be the the Eighth Sunday in Ordinary Time (but will called Trinity Sunday).
Designating Sundays as being “after Trinity” is unique in my experience to Anglican churches. The Episcopal Church here in the U.S. used to do it, but doesn’t anymore.
Today at the Presbyterian Association of Musicians’ Worship &Music Conference, the hymns were:
“All with Joyful Exaltation” (Ps. 30)/YISRAEL V’ORAITA
“Goodness is Stronger than Evil”/GOODNESS IS STRONGER
“All Who Hunger, Gather Gladly”/HOLY MANNA
“What Does the Lord Require of You?”/MOON
“Jesu, Jesu, Fill Us with Your Love”/CHEREPONI
e.g. St. John's Detroit or St. John's Savannah
or the Missal-based parishes like S. Clement's Philadelphia.
What, no metrical psalms??? Call yourself a Presbyterian?????!!!
David and I got married according to the (English) 1928 Prayer Book, and very lovely it was too.
Rev'd Rosie has been messing about with the service booklets
If it ain't broke, why does she have to try and fix it???
Well, I never claimed this was a group of good Presbyterians. You know how naughty musicians can be.
Today, the hymns were:
“Shall We Gather at the River”/HANSON PLACE
“Just as I Am”/WOODWORTH
“Sometimes a Light Surprises”/SALLEY GARDENS
In connection with another thread, this morning’s service was a service of healing and wholeness. @Alan29, anointing was offered for those who wanted it.
“You, Lord, Are Both Lamb and Shepherd”/PICARDY
“A Stable Lamp Is Lighted”/ANDUJAR
“The Church’s One Foundation”/AURELIA
Captains of the saintly band (Harts* is the tune set in the Orange Book)
Something from The Sheet
Our Father (Caribbean - yet again - why? )
Our God loves us (Plaisir d'amour)
Thy hand O God has guided (Thornbury)
*For those who, like me, are unfamiliar with Harts, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPMpxlb5Yw&list=RDtPPMpxlb5Yw&start_radio=1
Today, at the last service of the conference (there will be a concert for all choirs and instrumental groups tonight), the hymns/songs were:
“Hear, O Lord, My Plea for Justice” (Ps. 17)*/CHARLESTOWN
“Ain’t Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me Around”**
“Love Divine, All Loves Excelling***/HYFRYDOL
* And there’s a metrical psalm, @Piglet.
** A Civil Rights era song, which fit well with the sermon on the parable of the persistent widow and the unrighteous judge. It was accompanied only by one drummer.
*** Accompanied by organ, a brass ensemble and tympani, except for verse 3, which was a cappella. Quite something when sung by (I’d estimate) 800–900 voices, all quite comfortable singing in parts.
All creatures of our God and King - Lasst Uns Erfreuen
Jesus, stand among us - K*ndr*ck
I stand amazed in the presence - My Saviour's Love
May the fragrance of Jesus fill this place - more K*ndr*ck
From the very depths of darkness - Battle Hymn of the Republic**
* at least the sermon was about St Peter.
** after the penultimate verse (of 6 or 7 - I lost count) the organist obviously lost the will to live, and stopped playing. I can't say I blame her ...
O dear. Not a good selection. I'm not sure what we had at Our Place (I'm waiting for my Spy to report), but one from the Orange Book which would have been appropriate at @Piglet's place is Praise to God for saints and martyrs (In Babilone or Ton-y-Botel).
All creatures of our God and King is a good sing, and so is Michael Forster's From the very depths of darkness (there are 6 verses) - but maybe to the tune set first in the Orange Book (Cameron's, by Christopher Tambling, though I can't find a suitable link, perhaps because copyright). The Battle Hymn of the Republic always seems to me to require the accompaniment of the Horns and Drums of the Dark Tower of Mordor.
I don't know I stand amazed in the presence, but I see that it's not exactly recent - it was written and composed by W H Gabriel, who died in 1932.
“To God be the glory” - its own tune.
“The Spirit lives to set us free” - Walk i n the light.
“Make me a captive, Lord” - Leominster.
“Freedom and life are ours” - From strength to strength.
“And can it be?” - Sagina.
Captains of the saintly band was sung to H J Gauntlett's tune University College, perhaps more often used in the C of E for Oft in danger, oft in woe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmhsBe_MOQ&list=RDONmhsBe_MOQ&start_radio=1
All people that on earth do dwell- Old 100th
Psalm 150 - Stanford in C.
For all the saints - Sine Nomine
Will your anchor hold?
Thy hand O God has guided - Thornbury
Jerusalem
National Anthem
A nice selection, bar the last two.
Worthy of every song we could ever sing
I want to know you, Jesus my Lord
Here I am once again (pour out my heart)
Wonderful grace (a new one to me)
Mass Setting: Missa Brevis in D K194 Mozart.
Anthem: Give us the wings of faith Whitbourn
Hymns were unusual:
As the deer pants for the water
Thou art the Christ, O Lord (love unknown)
Amazing Grace
All the earth must tell the story (Abbots Leigh)
Loved singing the Mozart, which was new to me. Kinda sings itself, and we took the Gloria at a delightfully breakneck speed. Love the 'Dona nobis pacem' section in the Agnus.
The Whitbourn was an easy sing, really effective, first bit of Whitbourn I've sung, and I'd like to do more.
Cheers
Heron
In the event, Thy hand O God was cut out. Words were provided on screens.
No Boys’ Brigade, but the usual colour parties from Scouts, Beavers etc. The Scout nearly wrecked the big screen in the chancel and the Beaver nearly took the Brownie’s eye out. Apart from that, all went well.
Thirteen of us sang just the one hymn to a recorded organ backing track - Martyn Haugen's Let Us Build A House Where Love Can Dwell (All Are Welcome)
Yes, that seems logical! Peter, storms, and boats are mentioned several times in the Gospels...
Thou art the Christ O Lord (Gopsal)
Forsaken once and thrice denied (Saffron Walden)
Jesus calls us (St Andrew)**
O rock of ages one foundation (St Clement)
**the congregation were told to sing "As of old St Peter heard it" instead
of St Andrew hearing it 😳
Singing was good tonight and they belted out "St Clement" to a rather obscure text about St Peter.
I usually play at the 11.00, so it was lovely to sit with and communicate with my wife - it rarely happens, though during my recent illness I was brought communion both in hospital and at home and we both communicated and were both anointed, as she is waiting open heart surgery.