Also - men being embarrassed amongst the lingerie (and apparently even the men's underwear section if women are there) is so silly to me.
Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Also - men being embarrassed amongst the lingerie (and apparently even the men's underwear section if women are there) is so silly to me.
Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
Being deeply engrained doesn't make something less silly.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
I asked my wife if it wouldn't be easier just to sling the bra from a hook on a door or something and just spin herself around. She gave me a look and told me to check it out with those people on the Ship.
You mean while your wife is wearing the bra? A lot of bras have silicone banding at the bottom in order to keep it in place, so it would likely stay next to the skin rather than letting your wife spin around inside the bra while the bra stays still.
I get the logic but bras are (or should be) very close-fitting and designed to stay next to the skin.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Well, I really don't agree, but this is o/t.
You don't agree that underwear is stuff we wear to go about our daily life?
There are bras that are worn specifically for sex, but for most bra-wearers bras are mostly just functional.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Being embarrassed about having sex in public wouldn't be silly, though, would it?
Underwear is "under"wear - it's not generally intended to be seen in public. So the display of underwear is inherently intimate (and if we're talking about the type of underwear intended to be sexually attractive, also sexual). One often finds underwear being "modelled" by a dummy in a shop, or finds a large poster of a human model wearing the underwear. Seeing this is somewhat adjacent to seeing an actual human stranger in their underwear, and that's not something I would expect to do.
Re: swivelling, having joints that don't do all that they should, I've recently discovered a make of bras called Boody, which are made of a bamboo fabric, have no wires and no hooks - they go over your head like a crop top.
Also - men being embarrassed amongst the lingerie (and apparently even the men's underwear section if women are there) is so silly to me.
Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
Being deeply engrained doesn't make something less silly.
I suppose it depends how you are defining silly. For instance, if a child is constantly told they are embarrassing and shameful and they learn to see themselves with shame, and react with embarrassment to things that others might not see as embarrassing, I would see their view as distorted, but not silly.
Silly suggest foolishness, lack of intelligence and common sense, behaviour to be laughed at. A person may know intellectually that their reaction isn't rational (like with phobias, for instance) but the association/trauma reaction goes deeper, and is a natural human reaction, in which the mind is trying to protect itself. Everyone has different conditioning and reacts to some things in a way that others consider an overreaction. Calling it silly seems rather dismissive, and isn't likely to help people move beyond it.
I asked my wife if it wouldn't be easier just to sling the bra from a hook on a door or something and just spin herself around. She gave me a look and told me to check it out with those people on the Ship.
I opined, re putting on and taking off said item, that this was perhaps one of the useful functions a husband could provide. Mrs RR reffered me to this rather silly Monty Python sketch:
Lots of people here have spoken about the difficulty of fastening bras at the back. Am I really the only one who fastens it at the front for ease, then swivels it around so the hooks are at the back, before 'leaning forward' into the cups and finally slipping straps over the shoulders? I've never used any other method?!
Me neither. And the bra trick - taking off your bra while leaving your top on - is apparently a huge source of fascination for many men.
Re: swivelling, having joints that don't do all that they should, I've recently discovered a make of bras called Boody, which are made of a bamboo fabric, have no wires and no hooks - they go over your head like a crop top.
And they're the most comfortable invention ever.
Sorry, M&S - you've lost me.
I had a look at those. The larger cup sizes seem to come with distressingly narrow straps though.
Anyone tried Rigby and Peller? I knew someone always bought her bras there, on the grounds that if they were good enough for her late Majesty...
Lots of people here have spoken about the difficulty of fastening bras at the back. Am I really the only one who fastens it at the front for ease, then swivels it around so the hooks are at the back, before 'leaning forward' into the cups and finally slipping straps over the shoulders? I've never used any other method?!
Me neither. And the bra trick - taking off your bra while leaving your top on - is apparently a huge source of fascination for many men.
Re: swivelling, having joints that don't do all that they should, I've recently discovered a make of bras called Boody, which are made of a bamboo fabric, have no wires and no hooks - they go over your head like a crop top.
And they're the most comfortable invention ever.
Sorry, M&S - you've lost me.
That's what my bralettes are like - though they are cheapo ones from Primark, not made of bamboo. But definitely no wires or clasps.
Though, reading about people taking off their bra while leaving their top on, you can't do that with these. At least, I haven't found a way.
When I had clasp bras, the way I took them off under my top was simply to take my arms out the sleeves of the top. It was always rather awkward. I'm sure there's a subtler way, but I never discovered it!
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
We should be grateful the days of stays are past. Though I remember from the shopping catalogues of my childhood fearsome corselettes like full body armour with suspenders.
@Firenze 'full body armour with suspenders' or at least a roll-on with suspenders: that's what my mother was referring to when she declared to Reverend Mother "I shall never allow my daughter to suffer the tyranny of a suspender belt at the age of 11!" So I ended up being the only pupil in Form 1 (Senior School) still wearing knee-socks rather than lisle stockings.
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
@Firenze 'full body armour with suspenders' or at least a roll-on with suspenders: that's what my mother was referring to when she declared to Reverend Mother "I shall never allow my daughter to suffer the tyranny of a suspender belt at the age of 11!" So I ended up being the only pupil in Form 1 (Senior School) still wearing knee-socks rather than lisle stockings.
Dear God, such unnescessary fuss: the suspender belt of my pre-menarche youth was an elastic belt about
6 inches in length easily worn under knickers. Stockings were an improvement on fanny-freezing knee socks in early 1960s Canberra which in those unheated days was as cold as the proverbial frog’s tit
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
Once you've unfastened the back, not a difficult thing to do, unless you're wearing tight sleeves. But by the time you want to take a bra off, you've probably shed a few other layers.
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
Once you've unfastened the back, not a difficult thing to do, unless you're wearing tight sleeves. But by the time you want to take a bra off, you've probably shed a few other layers.
Aaah - you unfasten the back first. I guess that never occurred to me, being a swiveller. I probably still would have found it fiddly - I like to see what I'm doing. I'm very glad I wear over the head ones now - I hated the clasps. Sometimes they would come unclasped of their own accord, and I always needed to go to the loo to take off my top, and swivel them to get them back together again!
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Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Being deeply engrained doesn't make something less silly.
Well, I really don't agree, but this is o/t.
You mean while your wife is wearing the bra? A lot of bras have silicone banding at the bottom in order to keep it in place, so it would likely stay next to the skin rather than letting your wife spin around inside the bra while the bra stays still.
I get the logic but bras are (or should be) very close-fitting and designed to stay next to the skin.
You don't agree that underwear is stuff we wear to go about our daily life?
There are bras that are worn specifically for sex, but for most bra-wearers bras are mostly just functional.
Being embarrassed about having sex in public wouldn't be silly, though, would it?
Underwear is "under"wear - it's not generally intended to be seen in public. So the display of underwear is inherently intimate (and if we're talking about the type of underwear intended to be sexually attractive, also sexual). One often finds underwear being "modelled" by a dummy in a shop, or finds a large poster of a human model wearing the underwear. Seeing this is somewhat adjacent to seeing an actual human stranger in their underwear, and that's not something I would expect to do.
And they're the most comfortable invention ever.
Sorry, M&S - you've lost me.
I suppose it depends how you are defining silly. For instance, if a child is constantly told they are embarrassing and shameful and they learn to see themselves with shame, and react with embarrassment to things that others might not see as embarrassing, I would see their view as distorted, but not silly.
Silly suggest foolishness, lack of intelligence and common sense, behaviour to be laughed at. A person may know intellectually that their reaction isn't rational (like with phobias, for instance) but the association/trauma reaction goes deeper, and is a natural human reaction, in which the mind is trying to protect itself. Everyone has different conditioning and reacts to some things in a way that others consider an overreaction. Calling it silly seems rather dismissive, and isn't likely to help people move beyond it.
I opined, re putting on and taking off said item, that this was perhaps one of the useful functions a husband could provide. Mrs RR reffered me to this rather silly Monty Python sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs
particulary at 3 min or so.
That said, I am occasionally asked to help when the hooks get caught in other things.
Me neither. And the bra trick - taking off your bra while leaving your top on - is apparently a huge source of fascination for many men.
I had a look at those. The larger cup sizes seem to come with distressingly narrow straps though.
Anyone tried Rigby and Peller? I knew someone always bought her bras there, on the grounds that if they were good enough for her late Majesty...
Be still my beating heart!
That's what my bralettes are like - though they are cheapo ones from Primark, not made of bamboo. But definitely no wires or clasps.
Though, reading about people taking off their bra while leaving their top on, you can't do that with these. At least, I haven't found a way.
When I had clasp bras, the way I took them off under my top was simply to take my arms out the sleeves of the top. It was always rather awkward. I'm sure there's a subtler way, but I never discovered it!
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
Dear God, such unnescessary fuss: the suspender belt of my pre-menarche youth was an elastic belt about
6 inches in length easily worn under knickers. Stockings were an improvement on fanny-freezing knee socks in early 1960s Canberra which in those unheated days was as cold as the proverbial frog’s tit
Once you've unfastened the back, not a difficult thing to do, unless you're wearing tight sleeves. But by the time you want to take a bra off, you've probably shed a few other layers.
Aaah - you unfasten the back first. I guess that never occurred to me, being a swiveller. I probably still would have found it fiddly - I like to see what I'm doing. I'm very glad I wear over the head ones now - I hated the clasps. Sometimes they would come unclasped of their own accord, and I always needed to go to the loo to take off my top, and swivel them to get them back together again!