Query around host ruling in Eccles ‘what is this?’ thread
betjemaniac
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Firstly, apologies to @Spike for my part in that thread drifting so far from the OP.
Quick query though:
‘Derogatory descriptions of other traditions’
Totally on board with that. But an example given was Anglo-Papalist, which I had used. Firstly that is my tradition, or was, rather than other.
Secondly, when I was one that is how I would have described myself. I have since come a long way down the candle but I was young…! I do know multiple people who would self-describe as such to this day.
Consequently I wasn’t using it to be derogatory, I was using it because that (Anglo-Papalism/Anglican Papalism) is that subset’s name in my experience. If we are to call that position something else (ie other than the name the holders of that position give to it) then it feels a bit odd and not something we’d do on other subjects?
I will of course absolutely refrain from using it on the basis of we have taken a view that it is derogatory (though I am confused for the reasons given above). The usual term of abuse I encountered/encounter was/is Anglo-Papist.
Anglo-Papalist was who we were/are.
Quick query though:
‘Derogatory descriptions of other traditions’
Totally on board with that. But an example given was Anglo-Papalist, which I had used. Firstly that is my tradition, or was, rather than other.
Secondly, when I was one that is how I would have described myself. I have since come a long way down the candle but I was young…! I do know multiple people who would self-describe as such to this day.
Consequently I wasn’t using it to be derogatory, I was using it because that (Anglo-Papalism/Anglican Papalism) is that subset’s name in my experience. If we are to call that position something else (ie other than the name the holders of that position give to it) then it feels a bit odd and not something we’d do on other subjects?
I will of course absolutely refrain from using it on the basis of we have taken a view that it is derogatory (though I am confused for the reasons given above). The usual term of abuse I encountered/encounter was/is Anglo-Papist.
Anglo-Papalist was who we were/are.
Comments
Yes, that was my thought, too.
Either way I’m a bit confused about being told I can’t use a completely mainstream term that is used by the people who adhere to it.
Again, I’m totally happy to drop it if it’s a SoF idiosyncrasy, but I wasn’t being derogatory and it’s a term I and others would still use (to an extent in my case) about ourselves.
But that's a Hostly matter but some self-regulation is in order from time to time in my case at least.
Well yes, as I said in the opening post of this, I was totally aware of and apologise for my part in where it wandered (although I was responding to questions addressed to me and until we were told to stop no one had told us to stop) - I totally agree with that and have stopped, because I am an habitual rule complier… but I’m also a recovering Anglo-Papalist and I really want to get to the bottom of whether I’m allowed to say that or not, because in the thread it has been ruled as ‘derogatory’ and IME (as one) it just really isn’t.
Having said that, I reiterate that I’m happy to play by the rules as decided, and won’t post again on this thread until a host has. I’m only posting now to clarify that the general thread drift is not what I’m querying.
'Niggardly' goes back to Middle English and has no racial connotations.
If the Python piece is offensive it's only intentionally so in relation to British (and specifically English) attitudes towards the French but it's riffing with that in a kind of knowing and postmodern way of course ...
There was a 1970s/80s sit-com "'Allo, 'Allo" set during WW2 where the 'humour' derived almost entirely from the inability of French spies and Resistance fighters to pronounce English words correctly.
It added a few catch-phrases to the language, 'Leesten ver' care-fully, I weel say zis only once ...'
But was irredeemably politically incorrect.
Digression over.
@betjemaniac - I admire your restraint and wish I had it. Verbal flatulence is my besetting sin.
Among others ...
That is what I thought.
She could not understand why everyone fell about laughing.
However, we have digressed ....