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  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    Someone asked "Why do some British people not like donald trump?"

    Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
    "A few things spring to mind.
    trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
    But with trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
  • mousethief wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    The most eye-roll-inducing part of this particular tirade is Trump’s claim that “​our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen.​”

    I am waiting for an American Indian / Native to come forth and say, "No we don't." Absent that, maybe they do?

    If you need me to say something…
    No, really, why should American Indians /your preferred term jump forward to refute his ridiculous crap? It’s not like we’re Mephistopheles, bound to show up and do some work every time he utters something asinine.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    mousethief wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    The most eye-roll-inducing part of this particular tirade is Trump’s claim that “​our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen.​”

    I am waiting for an American Indian / Native to come forth and say, "No we don't." Absent that, maybe they do?
    @Lamb Chopped is right. I mean, I don’t think it takes too much thought to reject the idea that Native Americans are clamoring in large numbers for a return of the nickname “Redskins,” which has long been considered a racist slur.


    But since you asked:

    USA Today: Native Americans rail against Trump's call to change Commanders' name back.


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    We must not forget how Obama plotted against T in the 2016 election. (Deflection)

    Oh, and the tariff agreements with the Philippines and Indonesia (Winning)

    And no Coca Cola is going to convert its soda lines to cane sugar Make America Healthy Again. Couple of problems here, 1)USA has a very limited supply of cane sugar, and 2) one of the cane refineries in USA is closing down. Where can Coke get its cane sugar? Brazil?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    Someone asked "Why do some British people not like donald trump?"

    Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
    "A few things spring to mind.
    trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
    But with trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    A similar lacuna of those qualities supposedly esteemed among the British did little to thwart the ascension of Boris Johnson.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    mousethief wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    The most eye-roll-inducing part of this particular tirade is Trump’s claim that “​our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen.​”

    I am waiting for an American Indian / Native to come forth and say, "No we don't." Absent that, maybe they do?
    @Lamb Chopped is right. I mean, I don’t think it takes too much thought to reject the idea that Native Americans are clamoring in large numbers for a return of the nickname “Redskins,” which has long been considered a racist slur.


    But since you asked:

    USA Today: Native Americans rail against Trump's call to change Commanders' name back.


    Thank you. My point is he should be called out on his bullshit. Just letting him lie about something and not saying "No that's not true" just emboldens him. He claimed to speak for massive numbers of Native Americans. He needs to be shut down. And only Native Americans can do that here.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    ... certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - ...

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
  • SparrowSparrow Shipmate
    edited 7:56AM
    I don't think I've ever seen the man genuinely smiling, it's always that weird smirk with almost horizontal closed lipless mouth.

    Came in to say, though: A comment in the Times (London) yesterday, reminded me that it applies especially to anyone in public life. “An untrustworthy person isn’t just untrustworthy in one area of their life. Sometimes they’re just someone who lives in a different reality to the rest of us.”
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    Someone asked "Why do some British people not like donald trump?"

    Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
    "A few things spring to mind.
    trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
    But with trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    A similar lacuna of those qualities supposedly esteemed among the British did little to thwart the ascension of Boris Johnson.

    Except Johnson was seen as a bit of a laugh. And he was sufficiently good with words to flummox many. And he is a posh boy, and a posh accent is frequently mistaken for intelligence.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Sparrow wrote: »
    I don't think I've ever seen the man genuinely smiling, it's always that weird smirk with almost horizontal closed lipless mouth.

    Came in to say, though: A comment in the Times (London) yesterday, reminded me that it applies especially to anyone in public life. “An untrustworthy person isn’t just untrustworthy in one area of their life. Sometimes they’re just someone who lives in a different reality to the rest of us.”

    I said the same about Bill Clinton.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    Someone asked "Why do some British people not like donald trump?"

    Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
    "A few things spring to mind.
    trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
    But with trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    A similar lacuna of those qualities supposedly esteemed among the British did little to thwart the ascension of Boris Johnson.

    Except Johnson was seen as a bit of a laugh. And he was sufficiently good with words to flummox many. And he is a posh boy, and a posh accent is frequently mistaken for intelligence.

    That's probably true. Though I'd have foregone the "except" at the start of your paragraph, since what you're saying seems to buttress what I said, rather than refute it.
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    stetson wrote: »
    Alan29 wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    Someone asked "Why do some British people not like donald trump?"

    Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
    "A few things spring to mind.
    trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
    But with trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    A similar lacuna of those qualities supposedly esteemed among the British did little to thwart the ascension of Boris Johnson.

    Except Johnson was seen as a bit of a laugh. And he was sufficiently good with words to flummox many. And he is a posh boy, and a posh accent is frequently mistaken for intelligence.

    That's probably true. Though I'd have foregone the "except" at the start of your paragraph, since what you're saying seems to buttress what I said, rather than refute it.

    Yes, it turns out you can get past the British with this one weird trick.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Johnson had the carefully constructed image of someone who doesn't care about their image. (Not so carefully constructed as to take more effort than tousling his hair before appearing in public, but nevertheless constructed.)
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited 12:28PM
    Dafyd wrote: »
    Johnson had the carefully constructed image of someone who doesn't care about their image. (Not so carefully constructed as to take more effort than tousling his hair before appearing in public, but nevertheless constructed.)

    Which was readily apparent to all his former colleagues in the press but also the thing they were happier to play along with rather than puncture.

    Besides, I'm not entirely sure that it works to say that the British are both incredibly insightful and also easily fooled (by accent, tousled hair or someone holding a pint).
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Alan29 wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    Someone asked "Why do some British people not like donald trump?"

    Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
    "A few things spring to mind.
    trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

    So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
    But with trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    A similar lacuna of those qualities supposedly esteemed among the British did little to thwart the ascension of Boris Johnson.

    Except Johnson was seen as a bit of a laugh. And he was sufficiently good with words to flummox many. And he is a posh boy, and a posh accent is frequently mistaken for intelligence.

    That's probably true. Though I'd have foregone the "except" at the start of your paragraph, since what you're saying seems to buttress what I said, rather than refute it.

    Yes, it turns out you can get past the British with this one weird trick.

    It's about class. He's too posh to lie. Though why anyone would trust the promises of a serial adulterer is beyond my understanding. If he can't or won't keep one set of promises why would he keep any?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited 1:14PM
    Ruth wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    I have just read this on face tube. Very true.
    ... certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
    For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - ...

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

    Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
    Yeah, especially since that quoted post, written by Nate White, isn’t exactly all “very true.” Self-congratulatory and smug, yes, but not completely informed.

    For example, it says this:
    And while trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
    I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever.
    That’s remarkable that White can “literally” know everything Trump has ever said, so as to judge that Trump has not once, ever said anything faintly amusing. Perhaps he can use his powers for Good.

    I’ve heard Trump say wry and amusing things—genuinely amusing, at no one’s expense. Friends of ours, who are definitely not Trump fans, recently attended graduation at West Point, and Trump was the speaker. They were actually quite surprised at how engaging, appropriate and, yes, even funny he was. At least at first. Then after about 15 minutes, he went totally off the rails and into his usual schtick.

    There is a fair deal of truth in what White wrote. But it’s packaged with a fair amount of its own self-importance.


  • Barack Obama's office has had to make a comment on trump's attempt to have him investigated for treason. The madness and the lust for revenge of this witless oaf are beyond words.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Barack Obama's office has had to make a comment on trump's attempt to have him investigated for treason. The madness and the lust for revenge of this witless oaf are beyond words.

    In this case, I think it's less about a list for revenge and more about just finding any distraction from the Epstein Files.
  • stetson wrote: »
    Barack Obama's office has had to make a comment on trump's attempt to have him investigated for treason. The madness and the lust for revenge of this witless oaf are beyond words.

    In this case, I think it's less about a list for revenge and more about just finding any distraction from the Epstein Files.

    Certainly that too, but revenge (not just against Obama) has been a top agenda item for trump since before the election. He has made it part of the MAGA culture.
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