British idioms

HarryCHHarryCH Shipmate
This thread is intended for Americans to ask about idioms in British English: meanings and etymologies. For Cockney rhyming slang, give us the whole rhyme.

To start with:
--- Bob's your uncle
--- toad in the hole
--- spotted dick
--- bubble and squeak
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  • Are you asking about those, or leaving them as examples? Without knowing which side of the pond you are on, I don't know how I should respond!
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    The first three are fairly common in Canada. The second and third if you ever eat British "cuisine".

    I work with an Aussie so I often learn Australian idioms, as well. Most of the British idioms I have learned are from classic murder mysteries.
  • I don't think any of that list count as 'rhyming slang', but here are their generally accepted meanings:

    1. It's OK, or all right.
    2. Sausages in batter pudding :yum:
    3. Suet pudding with lots of currants and raisins :yum:
    4. Cooked cabbage fried with potatoes, and (occasionally) meat :yum:

    Take a butcher's (butcher's hook = look) at Google for definitions, me old china (China plate = mate)!
    :wink:
  • Wot a load of old cobblers, = cobblers' awls = balls.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited October 24
    Git yer ol' Khyber (Khyber pass = arse) dahn on the uncle (Uncle Ned = bed) at the top of the apples (Apples and Pears = stairs).
  • HarryCH wrote: »
    This thread is intended for Americans to ask about idioms in British English: meanings and etymologies. For Cockney rhyming slang, give us the whole rhyme.

    To start with:
    --- Bob's your uncle
    --- toad in the hole
    --- spotted dick
    --- bubble and squeak

    Well, the first idiom derives from a time when a young and inexperienced man was made Lord Lieutenant of Ireland ( evivalent to governor/ viceroy). Turns out he was appointed by the then prime minister Lord Salisbury aka Robert Gascoyne Cecil, who was the young man's uncle. ' Bob's your uncle' is often joined with ' and Fanny's your aunt's, though I don't know why

    Spotted dick was originally spotted dough. Given the many ways - ough can be pronounced in English, in some areas dough was pronounced closer to 'dock' as in the Irish 'lough' pronounced loch - a body of water. For some reason the spelling was changed not the pronunciation.
  • There is also the possibility that a Spotted Dick pudding (which My Old Mum used to serve with Treacle, as none of us liked Custard) bears a vague resemblance to
    a certain portion of the male anatomy suffering from a fell disease.
  • Similar suet based pudding is jam rolly polly ( not pronounced like the name but to rhyme with rolly). It was popular as a dessert in schools because it was cheap and filling

    Baked/ steamed in a long cylindrical shape in a cotton cloth or on the sleeve of an old gentleman's shirts. The jam would often ooze out, and was known as dead man's arm or revered mother's leg
  • To spend a penny? Or is that too dated?
  • Priscilla wrote: »
    To spend a penny? Or is that too dated?
    It was indeed discussed in the “phrases that date you” thread.

  • Robertus L wrote: »
    Similar suet based pudding is jam rolly polly ( not pronounced like the name but to rhyme with rolly). It was popular as a dessert in schools because it was cheap and filling

    Baked/ steamed in a long cylindrical shape in a cotton cloth or on the sleeve of an old gentleman's shirts. The jam would often ooze out, and was known as dead man's arm or revered mother's leg

    O! Jam Roly-Poly! A favourite Sunday dessert at a certain Tennis (IIRC) Club in Sheffield, some decades ago...my in-laws used to take Mrs BF and I there for lunch now and then...
    Priscilla wrote: »
    To spend a penny? Or is that too dated?

    Possibly, but I can remember when a Penny was all one needed to gain access to the cubicle, which would often be all got up regardless with Tiles, Lead Pipes, a Chain, Brass, Shiny Paper, no expense spared...
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited October 24
    ETA:

    Us gents didn't have to spend a penny if we just needed a Jimmy (Jimmy Riddle = piddle). The facility was free...
  • Bobs your uncle, and if he didn't have balls, he'd be your auntie. Doesn't rhyme.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Usual SE English hegemony. What about numpty, hallion, scunner, dwam, craic, stooshie, wheen, clanjamfrie?
  • Firenze wrote: »
    Usual SE English hegemony. What about numpty, hallion, scunner, dwam, craic, stooshie, wheen, clanjamfrie?

    Gallus?
  • Firenze wrote: »
    Usual SE English hegemony. What about numpty, hallion, scunner, dwam, craic, stooshie, wheen, clanjamfrie?

    Gallus?

    Glaikit; dreich; sleischter. That last has been spelt phonetically and IIRC was heard by my parents (Aberdeen & Peterhead) from an Edinburgh proff they were working under in Aberdeen...
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Firenze wrote: »
    Usual SE English hegemony. What about numpty, hallion, scunner, dwam, craic, stooshie, wheen, clanjamfrie?

    Gallus?

    Or come to that, galluses.
  • AmosAmos Shipmate
    I wonder how much Cockney rhyming slang is still used; hearing more MLE (Multicultural London English) from the under-fifties.
  • In the Antipodes, yes.
  • By "Antipodes", do you mean "Sarf of the River"?
  • Oh come on BT, even you know I’m referring to Oz🙄
  • The full explanation of 'berk' (a foolish or unpleasant person) is better not set out in a polite forum like this.
  • Sojourner wrote: »
    Oh come on BT, even you know I’m referring to Oz🙄

    Of course I do - I was Being Naughty!
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    Surely Bjorn Stronginthearm is your uncle?

    But seriously...

    Shoogly, haar, peelie-wallie (Scots, not sure I spelt the last one right)

    Petrichor*, snickelway, gate** (Yorkshire)

    *has been borrowed into standard English but was originally a dialect word
    ** means 'street' in York
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited October 25
    Narrow lanes in Norfolk are Pightles or Lokes.

    High streets in Suffolk are often Thoroughfares.

    My Scottish wife-to-be got annoyed with me when I didn't understand what she meant by "snibbing" (= bolting) the door.
  • Narrow lanes in Norfolk are Pightles or Lokes.

    High streets in Suffolk are often Thoroughfares.

    When I came up here from Essex, I learned that 'alleyways' were 'ginnels'. And the whole thing of placename-new(or old)-road was something new for me. But I guess this is dialect and not idiom.

    Regarding rhyming slang - the only people using it when I was a 1980s teenager were slightly-posh-Essex-people-trying-to-look-like-they'd-done-more-than-pass-through-Stepney-East-on-the-train. Looking at you, Ian Dury. But yes, the 'innit bruv' thing has rolled over the 'awigh' ma'e' sound (sorry, saahnd) of my youth in a way I could never have seen coming. People spoke like me and my mates for tens and tens of miles around. The regional variety (Manchester-Bolton-Chorley or Manchester-Salford-Wigan(!)-Liverpool(!!)) up here was a big surprise.
  • Can I offer twittens and snickerts?
    Oh, and, 'Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey'.
  • There's a Gervase Phinn school inspector story about that.
  • Phinn? Or Fen?
  • Firenze wrote: »
    Usual SE English hegemony. What about numpty, hallion, scunner, dwam, craic, stooshie, wheen, clanjamfrie?

    There's 'thrawn'. I'm not sure if I can define it precisely but I know exactly what it means. Perhaps 'miseryguts' comes close, but possibly both broader and more intense; beyond one's desire to reach. I'm thinking of a landlady in Edinburgh, yea these many years past.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    edited October 26
    Firenze wrote: »
    Usual SE English hegemony. What about numpty, hallion, scunner, dwam, craic, stooshie, wheen, clanjamfrie?

    Sleekit, dreich, bùrach (and my favourite derivative 'cluster bùrach').
  • Phinn? Or Fen?

    Phinn.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Bizzies is local slang for police. Ginnel for a back alley.
    I rather like the local habit of prefixing the names of supermarkets with "the," as in "I'm going the Asda."
  • Here in Cardiff, people alighting from the bus say, "Thank you, drive".
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Let me see if I can remember this right:

    An English friend asked me if I could explain what a hootenanny was
    I explained it was like a shindig
    but more like a hoedown.
    That's when his face went cattywampus.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    The first three are fairly common in Canada. The second and third if you ever eat British "cuisine".

    I work with an Aussie so I often learn Australian idioms, as well. Most of the British idioms I have learned are from classic murder mysteries.

    Could I ask why you felt the need to put "cuisine" in inverted commas there?
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Let me see if I can remember this right:

    An English friend asked me if I could explain what a hootenanny was
    I explained it was like a shindig
    but more like a hoedown.
    That's when his face went cattywampus.

    Whereas clearly it was a ceilidh.

  • cgichardcgichard Shipmate
    Is "molly-coddle" specifically British?
  • cgichard wrote: »
    Is "molly-coddle" specifically British?
    No, though here it’s usually mollycoddle (no hyphen).


  • My brother-in-law is called Robert so my children do have an Uncle Bob.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    KarlLB asked :
    Could I ask why you felt the need to put "cuisine" in inverted commas there?

    Caissa: Keeping in the line with the old joke about the different national stereotypes you find in hell. ;^)
  • 'Throng' was an interesting term I found in Huddersfield. It means 'busy' as in 'Throng as Thropp's wife.'

    Nobody could who Thropp was.

    We've had whole threads on regional dialect terms before now.

    I could cite plenty of examples from my native South Wales, and not only those expressions popularised by Gavin & Stacey.

    One I heard recently was, 'Wha' did yew 'ave nice for yewer dinner?'

    I don't think I've heard 'raining pouring' in South Wales much recently but then up in Yorkshire it's increasingly rare to hear 'thee' and 'thou' ('tha') and expressions like 'Five and twenty past' for '25 past' or 'while' instead of 'until' or 'thissens' for 'yourselves' or ...

    Back home in South Wales phrases like 'now in a minute' or 'again' meaning 'another time' still seem to be in circulation. I can't remember the last time I heard, 'There's lovely' though. Probably when I was a nipper or 'nowt but a bairn' as they might just possibly still say in Yorkshire.

    Do they still say 'has to' up there? 'Hass to ...' As in, 'It has to rain later but then it'll clear up ...' or 'If tha wants to get the-ere you aff to turn left at bottom o't'road, then go straight on past poob, then you aff to turn right. Carry on to't'end and then tha hass to bear left past Co-Op until tha see 'ginnel on't' reet-hand side ...'
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    KarlLB asked :
    Could I ask why you felt the need to put "cuisine" in inverted commas there?

    Caissa: Keeping in the line with the old joke about the different national stereotypes you find in hell. ;^)

    I'd be grateful if you'd either keep them to Hell where I can respond appropriately or keep your ignorant insults to yourself then.
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I come from a British background and grew up on that food. I find it bland. I also was taking a bit of a piss at the word "cuisine" which tends to be a little high falutin' for my fourth generation British immigrant working class background. I apologize if I caused offense.
  • 'Bob's your uncle ' is often followed by 'and Fanny's your aunt'

    rhyming slang is popular in Glasgow also with many borrowings from Cockney slang

    jelly bean = the queen (monarch) tory rope = the pope

    Bristols from Bristol city = titty
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    @Gamma Gamaliel Many years ago I read an article about the saying "Throng as Thropp's wife" - and there's a longer version. "Throng as Thropp's wife when she hung herself wi' t'dish clout!" The idea being that she was so busy washing up that her dishcloth wound itself round her neck and strangled her!
  • Goodness me, @Eigon!

    I'd not heard that before.

    @Caissa, I find much traditional British food bland too, but it doesn't have to be that way. Some pubs and eateries do it well.

    My mother mostly cooked traditional British food and her pastry was wonderful. So were her Welsh Cakes but everyone insisted their Mams' were the best.

    She did over boil the veg though.

    I'm partial to Wright's Pies and Staffordshire oatcakes around here and do enjoy a traditional 'full English' in a 'greasy spoon' or 'transport caff'.

    'I am large, I contain multitudes' - or I would be if I ate that stuff all the time.

    I'd like to think, to borrow and bend a phrase and to continue the poetic analogy, that I can eat with kings nor lose the common touch.

    I'm equally at home with posh French cuisine as I am with fish and chips or with scotch eggs, pork pies and so on.

    We could get onto regional British names for food - are they bread 'rolls' or 'cobs' or 'bread cakes' or 'baps' or ...
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Farls. Potato or soda. See also champ and boxty.

    Everyone's mother boiled vegetables to death, it's what you did. And you only ever roasted potatoes, not parsnip, carrot, broccoli or cauliflower, all of which can be vastly improved thereby.

  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Firenze wrote: »
    Farls. Potato or soda. See also champ and boxty.

    Everyone's mother boiled vegetables to death, it's what you did. And you only ever roasted potatoes, not parsnip, carrot, broccoli or cauliflower, all of which can be vastly improved thereby.

    My mum's of the first generation under the patronage of St Delia so we were largely spared the over-boiled veg, not that it helped because I cordially loathe most vegetable regardless.
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