Today I Consign To Hell -the All Saints version

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  • Brilliant! I hope she got a good price...
    :lol:
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Absolutely! :mrgreen:
    TICTH toy manufacturers who put their merchandise in stupidly-shaped boxes, rendering them impossible to wrap neatly, Small Relatives for the delectation of.
  • You could put the box into another box, before wrapping ... a bit "overkill", though!
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Air France KLM can head straight to hell. First they fail to put my Dad's suitcase on the plane. They promise it next day. At 6pm on Christmas Eve when all the shops are closing, they announce it's been given to a parcel delivery service and won't arrive until the day after Christmas. Presents, wine and Christmas pudding were all inside (not to mention clothes, after it was too late to buy more).

    We pretty much saved Christmas dinner, but they will be getting a very strongly worded letter.
  • Spike wrote: »
    That's a verbal phrase ... (I think).

    I think words in death announcements are often cut to a minimum to save money.

    Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago. An elderly gentleman died, and his widow being very frugal put an announcement in the local paper that simply said “Smith dead”. The editor of the paper called her and pointed out that the minimum payment was for five words, so she could extend the announcement if she wanted to at no extra cost. The final announcement read “Smith dead. Volvo for sale”

    Priceless!
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Fire, or at least uncontrolled manifestations of it.

    Our local Baptist Church suffered their building being consumed by fire this morning. No injuries, and the volunteer fire service got the fire under control (and it was mercifully calm so it didn't spread), and nothing irreplaceable lost, but still a big shock to the congregation.
  • :flushed:

    Presumably the building is no longer usable, until repairs are carried out?
  • How awful!
  • Every church's nightmare, I suspect...
    :grimace:
  • One wonders if it was caused by an electrical fault, arson or a candle. Not that it matters.
  • This winter's cold can go back to the hell from whence it came. While the entirity of the out-laws are whooping it up on the other side of the city, I am curled up in bed mainlining NSAIDs, decongestant and strepsils and generally feeling like I have bubonic plague. The guacamole production line has been in full swing for the last 14 hours or so. I haven't felt this ill since my now 19yo nephew gave us all norovirus at his christening - thankfully it is only my nose that is exploding at irregular intervals!

    There is no way that I will be heading over to Essex tomorrow, or for some time yey - though judging by her response mum has something similar.
  • Sorry to hear it @Sandemaniac - the fact that There Is A Lot Of It About is hardly comforting.

    IANAD, but WHISKY might help...
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    edited December 26
    Every church's nightmare, I suspect...
    :grimace:

    Given our building is insured for 4.5 million I think I would be at least ambivalent about it. I know a priest who prayed for a convenient landslide to come and wipeout their grade II listed Victorian pile.
    One wonders if it was caused by an electrical fault, arson or a candle. Not that it matters.

    Candles were confirmed extinguished, and likely culprits like electric heaters were turned off, so we'll just have to wait and see. If I were forced to speculate I'd be eyeing the kitchen appliances.

    The whole building seems to have been gutted - the roof is gone, and likely the internal walls too, from what I could see from the road. The building will certainly not be usable for quite some time.

  • IANAD, but WHISKY might help...

    Once SWMBO returns, a large stiff one before bedtime is definitely on the cards.


  • IANAD, but WHISKY might help...

    Once SWMBO returns, a large stiff one before bedtime is definitely on the cards.

    I'm guessing that you're feeling better...
    :innocent:
    Every church's nightmare, I suspect...
    :grimace:

    Given our building is insured for 4.5 million I think I would be at least ambivalent about it. I know a priest who prayed for a convenient landslide to come and wipeout their grade II listed Victorian pile.
    One wonders if it was caused by an electrical fault, arson or a candle. Not that it matters.

    Candles were confirmed extinguished, and likely culprits like electric heaters were turned off, so we'll just have to wait and see. If I were forced to speculate I'd be eyeing the kitchen appliances.

    The whole building seems to have been gutted - the roof is gone, and likely the internal walls too, from what I could see from the road. The building will certainly not be usable for quite some time.

    Point taken re ambivalence. If a fire gutted Our Place (and I know one should be careful what one wishes for), it would get rid of a great deal of useless Tat, and provide an opportunity for a reset...if only they could be persuaded to think outside the box for once...

    In your case - and it's early days for the Baptist folk - is there at least a possibility of them sharing your building?
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host

    In your case - and it's early days for the Baptist folk - is there at least a possibility of them sharing your building?

    It has been proposed before and they haven't been keen, and our building has its own problems (though, admittedly, currently having a roof is a definite point in its favour) and is due to be "disposed of" in the next year or so. If I had my way we would club together and build new something suitable on part of the 40 acres of Glebe land we own, but there is a small group with their heart set on getting our building into community ownership and continuing to use it.

  • IANAD, but WHISKY might help...

    Once SWMBO returns, a large stiff one before bedtime is definitely on the cards.

    I'm guessing that you're feeling better...
    :innocent:

    Luckily the afflicted parts are largely above the waist, whereas my sense of humour is very firmly below tbe waist and thus little affected.

  • In your case - and it's early days for the Baptist folk - is there at least a possibility of them sharing your building?

    It has been proposed before and they haven't been keen, and our building has its own problems (though, admittedly, currently having a roof is a definite point in its favour) and is due to be "disposed of" in the next year or so. If I had my way we would club together and build new something suitable on part of the 40 acres of Glebe land we own, but there is a small group with their heart set on getting our building into community ownership and continuing to use it.

    Understood. Hopefully, something mutually beneficial to church(es) and community will be the result.

    IANAD, but WHISKY might help...

    Once SWMBO returns, a large stiff one before bedtime is definitely on the cards.

    I'm guessing that you're feeling better...
    :innocent:

    Luckily the afflicted parts are largely above the waist, whereas my sense of humour is very firmly below tbe waist and thus little affected.

    :naughty:
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    BF and Sanders - behave yourselves! :mrgreen:

    Seriously though, sorry to hear you've had the lurgy - it's a pain any time but more so when it deprives you of enjoyable things like feasting and drinking. I'd echo BF's recommendation of a nice WHISKY.

    Very sorry to hear about Arethosemyfeet's Baptist friends' church too - I hope their insurance is in good standing.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    BF and Sanders - behave yourselves! :mrgreen:
    Why change the habit of a lifetime?

    The Knotweed has appeared bringing much welcomed leftovers, and a hot toddy is looming.

  • Piglet wrote: »
    BF and Sanders - behave yourselves! :mrgreen:
    Why change the habit of a lifetime?

    The Knotweed has appeared bringing much welcomed leftovers, and a hot toddy is looming.

    Is the last part of that sentence in code?

    I'll get me oily and me sou'wester...
  • Many years ago, our church had a kitchen fire, much to everyone's delight.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    The book I have just read. It's historical fiction, but lays claim to being high quality historical fiction. The blurb refers to the author "drawing on the documentary evidence of the time." The author talks of "reading between the lines."

    It was very well written, and I enjoyed it, but my first thought on finishing it was to look up the family in the 1851 census. And from there a quick check of birth, marriage and death records showed that the only reason the author was "reading between the lines" was because he clearly couldn't be arsed to actually fact check and read the lines themselves. Which paint a completely different picture to the wild imaginings he conjured up "reading between the lines."

    I feel cheated.
  • HeavenlyannieHeavenlyannie Shipmate
    edited 12:10AM
    I seldom read historical fiction because I get irritated when I read something which I know from my history background to be inaccurate or not my interpretation of the events.
    (Saying that, I just read David Grann’s The Wager and thoroughly enjoyed it despite it being a subject I wouldn’t usually choose, a shipwreck and mutiny. But I am reticent to call it historical fiction as it is retelling the journals of the sailors. But I also like Claire Gilbert’s I, Julian and that is very much fiction.)
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    I don't know why this is annoying me so much. Possibly because the people he is 're-imagining' were real, ordinary people. The youngest character in the book died IRL in 1930 and may well have living descendants. I would be incandescent if someone wrote fiction such as this about my forebears.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    There's a line of commentary in the 'Afterword' saying that there is a 'single mention' in the original records of a 'married sister', but that the author believes this is a mistake as, if she existed, there would be more about her. And I thought 'Really? You think that minimal reference to a woman in 1857 means she didn't exist'? So I took a look and there she is - marriage record, seven children, census returns, newspaper obituary when she died. But her not existing feeds into the story, her existence doesn't. So the author decides she didn't, couldn't, exist.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    If it were me I’d write to the publisher. After all the afterword is not part of the fiction, it is presented as factual information about the historical background.
  • CathscatsCathscats Shipmate
    edited 10:13AM
    Goodness, @North East Quine I would have steam coming out of my ears! I’m getting cross just thinking about it.
  • North East QuineNorth East Quine Purgatory Host
    I might as well name the book - it's Benbecula by (as stated on the front cover) Booker Shortlisted author Graeme MacRae Burnet.

    Also from the Afterword I was struck by the fact that the family (in 1857) consisted of four siblings in their twenties, none of whom were married. This seems unusual for the time.

    He's deduced from this that the family were odd, except that there were five siblings, not four, the eldest of whom was married, with three children (she went on to have seven in total) and the youngest was just 22, hardly an age at which aspersions of being 'unmarriageable' is fair. In fact two of the four subsequently married.
  • O dear.

    If you didn't know better, it would probably be an OK book - but you do know better, and therefore it's Tosh. Possibly also Twaddle. And maybe even Outrage.

    The same can apply to other works which claim to be historically accurate. There is one (I can't recall the name of the book, or the author) which features the real-life railway and train service to the Brookwood Necropolis. It makes for a good story, but the details are so risibly Wrong as to make it unreadable to anyone with even a smidgin of correct 19thC railway practice.
  • Another one, set in about 1910, in which people kept jumping onto trams in London's Regent Street.

    There were never any trams in central London, apart from the Embankment and Kingston Tunnel.
  • /pedant alert/

    Kingsway Tunnel (or Subway), but yes, you're right.
  • SignallerSignaller Shipmate
    edited 2:51PM
    Another one, set in about 1910, in which people kept jumping onto trams in London's Regent Street.

    There were never any trams in central London, apart from the Embankment and Kingston Tunnel.

    ...or even the Kingsway tunnel. But yes, the West End was a tram-free zone.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I might as well name the book - it's Benbecula by (as stated on the front cover) Booker Shortlisted author Graeme MacRae Burnet.

    Also from the Afterword I was struck by the fact that the family (in 1857) consisted of four siblings in their twenties, none of whom were married. This seems unusual for the time.

    He's deduced from this that the family were odd, except that there were five siblings, not four, the eldest of whom was married, with three children (she went on to have seven in total) and the youngest was just 22, hardly an age at which aspersions of being 'unmarriageable' is fair. In fact two of the four subsequently married.

    The author appears to be a chronic sufferer of Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I think it is fine for an author to take that sort of information from a census and weave a fictional story from it without citing where the information came from. To suggest that this story is in anyway 'true' doesn't really seem on.
  • Signaller wrote: »
    Another one, set in about 1910, in which people kept jumping onto trams in London's Regent Street.

    There were never any trams in central London, apart from the Embankment and Kingston Tunnel.

    ...or even the Kingsway tunnel. But yes, the West End was a tram-free zone.

    I meant that! AFAIK there are no tunnels in Kingston (Surrey, that is).
  • Sarasa wrote: »
    I think it is fine for an author to take that sort of information from a census and weave a fictional story from it without citing where the information came from. To suggest that this story is in anyway 'true' doesn't really seem on.

    Yes, agreed.

    I often enjoy re-reading the Brother Cadfael novels of Ellis Peters. AIUI, they are indeed based on known historical facts (the Anarchy, or Civil War, which occurred in England in the mid-12thC), with accurate references to the way in which a Benedictine Abbey of the time actually functioned.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Me too, BF - the Cadfael books were some of the few of David's books that I kept after he died, and it's high time I read them again.
  • Sicut CervusSicut Cervus Shipmate
    I had the pleasure during covid lockdown of rereading the Caedfael novels in correct order. I recommend this as there is a definite sequence of seasons and some secondary characters and events do flow from novel to novel.
  • NicoleMRNicoleMR Shipmate
    I read them as they were written, one by one, waiting for the new one to come out and being delighted when I would discover it in the New Books section of the library.
  • Yes, I did too, though for me it was in the bookstore where I worked.
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