But is Farage therefore less extreme than Meloni / Le Pen / AfD ?
Possibly. It is difficult to compare. What is seen as very right wing in one country may not be seen so in another. Reform are certainly not as right wing as Restore Britain.
Here's a test:
If one each of typical Farage, Le Pen, Meloni, and AfD supporters met in an airport lounge between their respective connecting-flights and started discussing the usual hot-button issues, would there be any among them who would think "Holy cow, some of these opinions are WAY too extreme for me!"
My personal guess would be no, EXCEPT in regards to certain historical topics, eg. if the AfDer said "You know, everyone attacks Herr Hitler, and fair enough, but in some cases, he was just doing what needed to be done", it might offend the Reformer, simply because nationalistic Britons have been trained to think of Hitler as an enemy of Britain.
But if it was just the AfDer saying "We really need to just clear all these Muslim scroungers the hell outta Germany", it likely wouldn't set off any alarm-bells for the Reformer.
Yes as I said there would be differences. They are all right wing so there would be things in common. Reform are medium far right. They say they want nothing to do with Tommy Robinson and are to the left (slightly) of Restore.
From what I can tell AFD are more right wing than Reform but they are all fairly far right.
Several commentators are saying the right could eat itself. Restore could take a good number of votes from Reform in the up coming bye-election. That means Labour have a good chance of getting in and Burnham will make his leadership bid. Let Reform and Restore fight it out and damage each other in the public eye.
Apropos Reform and Restore Britain eating themselves, we ought to add the Conservative Party. Having moved to the right and lost support and MPs to Reform and Restore Britain, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those who jumped one ship may well jump back again, once the degree of incompetence and unpleasantness becomes apparent.
I really don’t think many people realise how nasty things are inside the right wing parties.
Apropos Reform and Restore Britain eating themselves, we ought to add the Conservative Party.
And the Labour Party. Labour's response to the far right England flag littering campaign was for Yvette Cooper to pretend she hangs them too. Starmer's response to losing a by election that the right accused of being hijacked by Islamists was to blame sectarianism.
Apropos Reform and Restore Britain eating themselves, we ought to add the Conservative Party.
And the Labour Party. Labour's response to the far right England flag littering campaign was for Yvette Cooper to pretend she hangs them too. Starmer's response to losing a by election that the right accused of being hijacked by Islamists was to blame sectarianism.
And that in turn led to disillusioned Labour voters turning to the Libdems and increasingly the Greens. It looks like the latter two parties will soft pedal the Makerfield by-election and possibly even direct their supporters to vote Labour (even if they have to hold their noses) to ensure Reform are beaten.
Starmer's response to losing a by election that the right accused of being hijacked by Islamists was to blame sectarianism.
You mean he was blaming alleged Muslim sectarianism for the defeat?
He wasn't specific, but that was the implication that might be drawn, yes.
Thanks.
I wonder if "sectarianism" is a common term(possibly as a dog-whistle) in the UK in reference to alleged Muslim extremism. Ulster-style sectarianism played a significant role in Canadian history, but these days I doubt 1 in 10 Canadians would recognize the relevance of the word in regards to their history, and I don't think I've often heard it used in reference to the influence of non-Christian religions on general politics.
Farage’s latest outburst alleges “Two tier policing” following riots in Southampton in the wake of the trial of a Sikh man for a young white man.
It’s exactly what one would expect, and I believe he’s just playing to his evil choir. My view is that the police are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. They made an arrest of a dying man after the murderer alleged racism. I don’t think the Hampshire Police got everything right, but Farage’s call for “Pure, Cold Rage” having noted the dignified response of the victims family, shows is nastier than I stated a few days ago. He isn’t a reactionary Tory, he’s a political racist, just a uniform short of Mosley.
Farage’s latest outburst alleges “Two tier policing” following riots in Southampton in the wake of the trial of a Sikh man for a young white man.
It’s exactly what one would expect, and I believe he’s just playing to his evil choir. My view is that the police are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. They made an arrest of a dying man after the murderer alleged racism. I don’t think the Hampshire Police got everything right, but Farage’s call for “Pure, Cold Rage” having noted the dignified response of the victims family, shows is nastier than I stated a few days ago. He isn’t a reactionary Tory, he’s a political racist, just a uniform short of Mosley.
The dead man’s family expressly asked that their son’s death not be used to cause unrest etc. Farage kind of eluded to this but said others should be enraged. Cold hard rage
Farage’s latest outburst alleges “Two tier policing” following riots in Southampton in the wake of the trial of a Sikh man for a young white man.
It’s exactly what one would expect, and I believe he’s just playing to his evil choir. My view is that the police are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. They made an arrest of a dying man after the murderer alleged racism. I don’t think the Hampshire Police got everything right, but Farage’s call for “Pure, Cold Rage” having noted the dignified response of the victims family, shows is nastier than I stated a few days ago. He isn’t a reactionary Tory, he’s a political racist, just a uniform short of Mosley.
The dead man’s family expressly asked that their son’s death not be used to cause unrest etc. Farage kind of eluded to this but said others should be enraged. Cold hard rage
I don't wish to discuss the specifics of this particular case, because a) I don't have all the details; b) the matter will soon be before the courts; and c) the Ship's mods are sensitive to libel law.
That said, as a general rule, in cases of alleged police wrongdoing, I don't think the victim's family should get the last word as to how the public or politicians react, because the family are not the only stakeholders.
Further reading on the case indicates that Digwa has already been convicted and sentenced. Basic point still stands, because the case is still under investigation by the relevant legal bodies.
Another consequence of those lies is that the attending police officers honestly believed that there were reasonable grounds for suspecting Henry had committed an offence and arrested him with the consequence he was handcuffed for about a minute before his condition further deteriorated and the arresting officer began CPR. The police were given a convincing but wholly false narrative of the incident. It was dark and Henry was wearing a dark top. The entry damage caused by the knife through it, would not have been obvious. Whilst there was visible blood on Henry, it would not have clearly been seen coming from that wound and the clearly visible facial wound was not life-threatening. Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was struggling to breathe but that would not have necessarily told the officers how serious the situation had become. It is the experience of the criminal courts that sometimes, someone arrested and handcuffed will feign injury in the hope they may be released. These police officers were faced with having to make quick decisions in pressurised circumstances about the best way to act. The genuine shock to the particular police officer, when he realised that he had been giving CPR to Henry when he had a serious chest wound tends to show that he was doing his best in a very difficult situation.
I live locally-ish (not in Southampton itself but it's my nearest larger city) and the city has been afflicted by a group called Southampton Patriots for many months, mostly protesting outside a hotel housing asylum seekers. Farage has just given them a green flag to cause even more trouble - protests have already caused damage to houses and cars owned by people who have nothing to do with the case. Nobody in Southampton wants unrest apart from the violent racists already causing it. It's also taking advantage of local frustration wrt football (look up "Spygate") and using it for violent ends.
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Yes as I said there would be differences. They are all right wing so there would be things in common. Reform are medium far right. They say they want nothing to do with Tommy Robinson and are to the left (slightly) of Restore.
From what I can tell AFD are more right wing than Reform but they are all fairly far right.
Several commentators are saying the right could eat itself. Restore could take a good number of votes from Reform in the up coming bye-election. That means Labour have a good chance of getting in and Burnham will make his leadership bid. Let Reform and Restore fight it out and damage each other in the public eye.
I really don’t think many people realise how nasty things are inside the right wing parties.
And the Labour Party. Labour's response to the far right England flag littering campaign was for Yvette Cooper to pretend she hangs them too. Starmer's response to losing a by election that the right accused of being hijacked by Islamists was to blame sectarianism.
And that in turn led to disillusioned Labour voters turning to the Libdems and increasingly the Greens. It looks like the latter two parties will soft pedal the Makerfield by-election and possibly even direct their supporters to vote Labour (even if they have to hold their noses) to ensure Reform are beaten.
You mean he was blaming alleged Muslim sectarianism for the defeat?
He wasn't specific, but that was the implication that might be drawn, yes.
Thanks.
I wonder if "sectarianism" is a common term(possibly as a dog-whistle) in the UK in reference to alleged Muslim extremism. Ulster-style sectarianism played a significant role in Canadian history, but these days I doubt 1 in 10 Canadians would recognize the relevance of the word in regards to their history, and I don't think I've often heard it used in reference to the influence of non-Christian religions on general politics.
It’s exactly what one would expect, and I believe he’s just playing to his evil choir. My view is that the police are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. They made an arrest of a dying man after the murderer alleged racism. I don’t think the Hampshire Police got everything right, but Farage’s call for “Pure, Cold Rage” having noted the dignified response of the victims family, shows is nastier than I stated a few days ago. He isn’t a reactionary Tory, he’s a political racist, just a uniform short of Mosley.
He is truly the reproductive tract of a hirsute pachyderm.
The dead man’s family expressly asked that their son’s death not be used to cause unrest etc. Farage kind of eluded to this but said others should be enraged. Cold hard rage
I don't wish to discuss the specifics of this particular case, because a) I don't have all the details; b) the matter will soon be before the courts; and c) the Ship's mods are sensitive to libel law.
That said, as a general rule, in cases of alleged police wrongdoing, I don't think the victim's family should get the last word as to how the public or politicians react, because the family are not the only stakeholders.
Further reading on the case indicates that Digwa has already been convicted and sentenced. Basic point still stands, because the case is still under investigation by the relevant legal bodies.