e bikes

HuiaHuia Shipmate
edited August 1 in Heaven
There's been a recent death in my family and I'm about to have a bit more spending money. I'm considering buying an e bike. Otautahi/Christchurch is a great place for cycling as it's mainly flat, although the easterly wind can be challenging. I've biked for years, but my last cycle fell over and the gears were damaged.

I'm around 5 ft, unfit and in my early 70s.

I'd be interested in hearing any advice, comments, experiences, warnings etc

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  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Obviously I stuffed up the tag - sorry about that.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I electrified my trike a little over a decade ago. My experience is that a mid-drive is preferable to a hub motor. Do check local rules about maximum permitted power, whether you can have a throttle, max assisted speed and so on. You may find you're going faster than you're used to, so make sure you're geared up and the brakes work well.
  • There's been studies that show that people go further on ebikes than they would on pedal power alone, while still pedalling, so if you get decent use out of it it should help your fitness. Whatever happens I suspect you'll enjoy being back in the saddle, and being able to travel under your own steam again.

    The only stuff I can add to the above is the stuff I'd say to anyone, that I'm sure you already know, and that any decent shop should do anyway, which is get them to set it up properly for your height and posture, and make sure you can come back for adjustments.

    Happy ecycling!
  • I cycle - not electric yet - and a bloke I work with is a keen club cyclist and very fit (about 60). He reports that experienced members of his cycle club, when they get to age about 80, have used front-wheel-hub motors to keep up with the club runs (50 miles plus). Here (UK) a conversion might be a lot cheaper than a dedicated e-bike, which can be pricey - but I have not properly looked into it. The unavoidably-costly bit seems to be a decent battery.

    I also have a friend who lives near Accrington - very hilly - who has a neighbour who is older, rather heavy, and who swears by her e-bike and gets a lot of use out of it. Sounds like a good thing.
  • Almost all e-bikes around here seem to be black, becoming almost invisible in busy traffic: the accident reports are becoming more frequent. I'd suggest looking for one with good lights and designed with visibility in mind.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I cycle - not electric yet - and a bloke I work with is a keen club cyclist and very fit (about 60). He reports that experienced members of his cycle club, when they get to age about 80, have used front-wheel-hub motors to keep up with the club runs (50 miles plus). Here (UK) a conversion might be a lot cheaper than a dedicated e-bike, which can be pricey - but I have not properly looked into it. The unavoidably-costly bit seems to be a decent battery.

    I am getting there shortly. Been thinking about an electric three-wheeler myself.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited August 2
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  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Almost all e-bikes around here seem to be black, becoming almost invisible in busy traffic: the accident reports are becoming more frequent. I'd suggest looking for one with good lights and designed with visibility in mind.

    You can by reflecting strips. Also, get a reflecting vest for yourself.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I have found my e-bike very useful for commuting, since I live near the top of a hill. The only problem is that it is very heavy, so cumbersome when I'm pushing it.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    I tried out an ebike for a day. I'd never ridden a bike with a speedometer before, so I knew that I went down hills quite fast, but I hadn't realised just how fast! It was terrifying! But if I hadn't seen the speed I probably wouldn't have worried.
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    Re converted non-e vs purpose-built e. A few friends have bought the former which tended to break rather easily so have bought "proper" ones subsequently. One problem with converted regular bikes is that electric bits have to be fitted wherever there is room compared with a "proper" e-bike which is designed with electric bits in mind. Another problem with conversions is that they are sometimes made by people who don't really understand what they are doing so the end product is cheap but sub-optimal. In the UK the Fire Brigade have a campaign warning against charging indoors, especially the cheaper models.

    Everyone I know who rides e loves it and would never go back. Personally I stick to pedal-power alone but then my commute is flat and perhaps if I lived in Cornwall (where we holdayed last month) where flat has to be re-defined in relative terms I would have already gone e.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I would say - don't be too proud to eeee! I put it off for a couple of years after seeing a review saying "I really like this e-bike since now that I am 77 I can no longer keep up with my cycle club". Being almost 30 years younger than that (at the time) I had foolish "I'm not that old" thoughts. But now I am a total convert and wish I had got it sooner.
  • Huia wrote: »
    There's been a recent death in my family and I'm about to have a bit more spending money. I'm considering buying an e bike. Otautahi/Christchurch is a great place for cycling as it's mainly flat, although the easterly wind can be challenging. I've biked for years, but my last cycle fell over and the gears were damaged.

    I'm around 5 ft, unfit and in my early 70s.

    I'd be interested in hearing any advice, comments, experiences, warnings etc

    My mother in law got one a couple of years ago, and uses it regularly (except when she fell off it and broke her wrist. Hers is the pedal-assist kind: she's not a speed demon, but does appreciate the help up the hill.

    I'd encourage you to get one from your local bike shop (because then they'll repair and maintain it) rather than a cheap supermarket one that might use components of dubious provenance and non-existent maintainability.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    A friend of mine and her daughter both have ebikes and recommend the shop they bought them from so I thought I'd start there. My friend also suggested that particular shop because it isn't too far from home, her thinking being that if it broke down it would be easier to push it there than the other side of town. While there are bike racks on buses here ebikes are too heavy to be carried on them.

    @The Rogue I did wonder about whether an ordinary bike frame would be strong enough given the extra stresses the speed would put on it. Also it's less straightforward than choosing a purpose built one.

    I'm also going to check out new bike helmets as the one I have is a few years old,

    Years ago, before bike helmets were compulsory here, my youngest
    brother told me to buy one. "But they're expensive." I whined.
    "What's your brain worth? " he asked - Then, lest he seem too caring, he said, "Not a lot I know, but all the more reason to protect it".

    I bought the helmet.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the legal position of some kinds of e-bikes is not certain. We have hundreds in Newport that are mostly ridden by younger teens with no road sense and a sense of invincibility. Sometimes on the road, sometimes on the right side of the road and sometimes on the pavement.
    Every fortnight it seems our police or the South Wales force announce that they have confiscated and destroyed some hundreds of e-bikes or e-scooters.
    I may have misunderstood something, and independence is vital but I believe it could be worth checking the situation wherever you are.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    sionisais wrote: »
    I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the legal position of some kinds of e-bikes is not certain.

    In the UK, at least, it is very certain: if you exceed the limits for an electric assisted pedal cycle what you have is a moped or motorbike and hence require type approval, registration, insurance and a licence with the appropriate categories. Key points:
    - max continuous power 250W
    - max assisted speed 25kph
    - no electric power without pedalling (i.e. no throttle)
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    Nottinghamshire Police use a portable rolling road to test e-bikes and keep the ones that can go too fast for scrap. Are retailers supposed to tell you whether the bike/scooter is street-legal or not? I understand that it is legal in the UK to sell stuff that shouldn't go in public spaces because obviously the buyer will only use it on private land.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    In the UK e-scooters are illegal for use on road or pavement (sidewalk) almost everywhere, except for a few specific urban areas with specific schemes in place.

    @Arethosemyfeet has set out the rules about e-bikes. Fundamentally it needs to be an electrically assisted pedal cycle. Rules here
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    sionisais wrote: »
    I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the legal position of some kinds of e-bikes is not certain.

    In the UK, at least, it is very certain: if you exceed the limits for an electric assisted pedal cycle what you have is a moped or motorbike and hence require type approval, registration, insurance and a licence with the appropriate categories. Key points:
    - max continuous power 250W
    - max assisted speed 25kph
    - no electric power without pedalling (i.e. no throttle)

    Thanks, I should have done more research than personal observation!
    I’m sure some e-bikes and e-scooters exceed these standards but I find the way many are used very disconcerting. Newport has a mixture of flat floodplain and very hilly areas and should be prime territory for e-bikes but I have seen few mature people riding e-bikes hereabouts, they are mostly young.
    I think they are regarded here as a cheap intermediary between a bicycle and a motorcycle proper.

  • Around here - Ontario, Canada - the rules are simple:

    If you’re at least 16 years old, wear an approved helmet, and your e-bike’s motor is 500 watts or less with a top speed of 32 km/h, you're pretty much set. Best of all, you won't need a licence, registration, or insurance to get out there and ride.

    There's little enforcement, and from experience of dodging them, the maximum speed is easily exceeded, especially downhill. If you are a banned drunk or drugged driver, then this the way to get around. The e-scooters are a particular menace, as they are fast, used on pavements in pedestrian areas and even in shopping malls. I saw two people without helmets riding on one scooter this morning, fearlessly mixing with the traffic. I've even seen a scooter rider with his dog running alongside on a lead.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I was alarmed when I saw people riding e-scooters in the cycle lane (which is painted on the side of the road) without helmets. I think helmets should be compulsory for riding e-scooters.

    Some people seem to think they are invincible.
  • Scary for me are the electric bikes that use the pedestrian/bike underpass which I use daily (wide enough two people with strollers). Bicyclists are suppose to walk their bikes when pedestrians are present. They don't and the electric bike users (many of them kids) like doing it at full speed even upslope.
  • I think 'official' ones in the UK might not exceed 25kph, even downhill. The friend's neighbour I mentioned leant me hers a while back, and it was my impression that it used regenerative braking with any momentum over this speed, somewhat to my disappointment - but I guess it increases the range a little.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    I think 'official' ones in the UK might not exceed 25kph, even downhill. The friend's neighbour I mentioned leant me hers a while back, and it was my impression that it used regenerative braking with any momentum over this speed, somewhat to my disappointment - but I guess it increases the range a little.

    They have no maximum speed. The motor assistance has to cut out at 15.5mph but you can pedal or accelerate under gravity to any speed. There is no regenerative braking on any I've ever used.

    I've got 60kph out of mine downhill. I've been even faster on non-electric but more aero road bikes.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    60 Kph would scare me witless. (well, worse than I am now)
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    @KarlLB If that’s by pedal power alone that’s fine - unless you’re in an urban area where the speed limit, even for two-wheelers, is 30mph (49kmph) sometimes 20mph(32kmph).
    And that’s on the road. Strangely there’s no general limit for shared use pavements, but the police may stop a rider for dangerous, reckless, wanton and furious riding (nb, local authorities may impose restrictions).
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited August 8
    sionisais wrote: »
    @KarlLB If that’s by pedal power alone that’s fine - unless you’re in an urban area where the speed limit, even for two-wheelers, is 30mph (49kmph) sometimes 20mph(32kmph).
    And that’s on the road. Strangely there’s no general limit for shared use pavements, but the police may stop a rider for dangerous, reckless, wanton and furious riding (nb, local authorities may impose restrictions).

    General road speed limits do not apply to cyclists, including EAPCs. The legislation applies very specifically to mechanically propelled vehicles.

    However, the number of places in urban locations where it would be possible for most cyclists to excede the motor vehicle speed limit is minimal. This is probably why speed limits were only introduced for motor vehicles, because they can go very fast very easily.


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