Donald ******* Trump

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  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Let the countdown begin. There are now 888 days until the term of the one with the little brain and fat behind will be out of office and restoration can begin and the release of the Epstein files can happen.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Let the countdown begin. There are now 888 days until the term of the one with the little brain and fat behind will be out of office and restoration can begin and the release of the Epstein files can happen.

    I hope this is so. You never know with Trump. Remember he already has the hats and T-shirts ready.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    FWIW, James Carville is predicting that Trump will resign before his term ends—possibly as early as Easter 2027 if Democrats win the House and the Senate, and in any event before his last day in office. Carville also predicts that part of his resignation will be a deal that Vance pardons him of all possible federal crimes. The resignation, Carville thinks, will happen because it’s unclear whether Trump’s can pardon himself.

    Time will tell.


  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    I have a hard time seeing Trump walk away from the opportunity to add more billions of dollars to his bank account.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited August 7
    Ruth wrote: »
    I have a hard time seeing Trump walk away from the opportunity to add more billions of dollars to his bank account.
    As do I. But I guess there could come a point where the downside from a hostile and investigating Congress may win out. Or I could see resigning with only days left if a full pardon followed.


  • Unfortunately his spawn will probably run for office.
  • I saw a video on youtube today suggesting that Trump's BBC lawsuit is in trouble, owing to the BBC lawyers quite reasonably asking to see full financial disclosure of the entirety of his business dealings. He wanted to establish in court that these dealings had suffered reputational damage to the tune of several billion dollars. In order to prove this large sum, it seems necessary to detail how large these dealings are, and how the damage has been sustained.

    I must say I am finding this rather funny.

    Apparently Trump's lawyers are claiming now that they want to reign the whole thing in massively and only discuss his personal, reputational damage. The legal opinion I listened to suggested that a judge might take the view, that having filed a suit, that suit would be the one that would be pursued (he used a line of discussion 'once you open the door'...). I'll be interested to see what happens next.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I saw a video on youtube today suggesting that Trump's BBC lawsuit is in trouble, owing to the BBC lawyers quite reasonably asking to see full financial disclosure of the entirety of his business dealings. He wanted to establish in court that these dealings had suffered reputational damage to the tune of several billion dollars. In order to prove this large sum, it seems necessary to detail how large these dealings are, and how the damage has been sustained.

    I must say I am finding this rather funny.

    Apparently Trump's lawyers are claiming now that they want to reign the whole thing in massively and only discuss his personal, reputational damage. The legal opinion I listened to suggested that a judge might take the view, that having filed a suit, that suit would be the one that would be pursued (he used a line of discussion 'once you open the door'...). I'll be interested to see what happens next.

    The judge is presumably unlikely to be impressed by the attempt to narrow the scope of the claim while leaving the amount sought unaltered.
  • Apparently Trump's lawyers are claiming now that they want to reign the whole thing in massively and only discuss his personal, reputational damage.

    Would that not require proving that Trump had a reputation to damage? Every sensible person knows that not only does Trump routinely lie, but I'm not even certain that he understands that truth is an actual thing independent of "whatever Trump wants to happen".
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    I would love to see the BBC's lawyers stand up and make the case that Trump is undefamable.
  • CactusCactus Shipmate Posts: 26
    I am finding the Trump v BBC lawsuit deliciously hilarious, BBC lawyers are hanging him out to dry. It is only confirming my opinion that Trump & his whole administration are a bunch of complete bottom wipes. And as a BBC licence holder, I am behind the BBC 100 percent. Go BBC...
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Cactus wrote: »
    And as a BBC licence holder, I am behind the BBC 100 percent. Go BBC...

    I mean, all BBC really did here is do an editing job that they've already apologized for, and then get themselves unwillingly sued by Trump over it and hired lawyers to defend themselves. If they win, it's gonna be entirely because of arguments made by those lawyers, in accordance with established American law.

    But, sure, I want them to win, too. What I'm wondering is if Trump's lawyers foresaw the eventuality of a lawsuit alleging financial damage requiring proof of the alleged damage. I would assume that's a given in such cases, but I really don't know.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    Cactus wrote: »
    And as a BBC licence holder, I am behind the BBC 100 percent. Go BBC...

    I mean, all BBC really did here is do an editing job that they've already apologized for, and then get themselves unwillingly sued by Trump over it and hired lawyers to defend themselves.
    Most people and entities who are sued are sued unwillingly. :wink:

    What I'm wondering is if Trump's lawyers foresaw the eventuality of a lawsuit alleging financial damage requiring proof of the alleged damage. I would assume that's a given in such cases, but I really don't know.
    It’s definitely a given. If they didn’t see it, they committed malpractice.

    Or they had a client who didn’t want to hear it.


  • CactusCactus Shipmate Posts: 26
    I assume that both Trump & his lawyers thought that the BBC would fold & pay a few million in damages as some other media companies have done. Otherwise I think it is given that the defence would ask for proof of financial damages ( but IANL)
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Cactus wrote: »
    I assume that both Trump & his lawyers thought that the BBC would fold & pay a few million in damages as some other media companies have done. Otherwise I think it is given that the defence would ask for proof of financial damages ( but IANL)
    I would assume Trump thought that. As for his lawyers, I would assume they do as they’re told, even when they know better. That seems to be the pattern.


  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Gee, it worked on American media, should work on the BBC too.
  • edited August 8
    Cactus wrote: »
    I assume that both Trump & his lawyers thought that the BBC would fold & pay a few million in damages as some other media companies have done. Otherwise I think it is given that the defence would ask for proof of financial damages ( but IANL)

    I'm not sure the BBC could do that, given it is not a private company; I don't know how financial settlements with the BBC (which do happen from time to time) are arrived at. Ian Hislop et al will know - I expect this to turn up in the Eye fairly soon. I'll post here about it if it does.

    (Looking back I also note I used 'reign' and not 'rein' in my post upthread. Well, at least it wasn't 'rain'.)
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    Cactus wrote: »
    And as a BBC licence holder, I am behind the BBC 100 percent. Go BBC...

    I mean, all BBC really did here is do an editing job that they've already apologized for, and then get themselves unwillingly sued by Trump over it and hired lawyers to defend themselves.
    Most people and entities who are sued are sued unwillingly. :wink:

    Heh. Yeah, it was rhetorical redundancy, like eg. "I, myself..."

    What I'm wondering is if Trump's lawyers foresaw the eventuality of a lawsuit alleging financial damage requiring proof of the alleged damage. I would assume that's a given in such cases, but I really don't know.

    It’s definitely a given. If they didn’t see it, they committed malpractice.

    Or they had a client who didn’t want to hear it.

    The latter would be my guess, assuming required financial disclosure is a universal in lawsuits alleging financial damage.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Gee, it worked on American media, should work on the BBC too.

    Actually, the BBC isn't doing much more than what Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Jounal is doing in regards to a Trump defamation suit, ie. fighting it in court.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    The post two spaces above is incorrectly formatted. I'll try to re-do it.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 8
    @Nick Tamen wrote...

    Most people and entities who are sued are sued unwillingly. :wink:

    Heh. Yeah, it was rhetorical redundancy, like eg. "I, myself.

    It’s definitely a given. If they didn’t see it, they committed malpractice.

    Or they had a client who didn’t want to hear it.

    The latter would be my guess, assuming required financial disclosure is a universal in lawsuits alleging financial damage.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    It’s definitely a given. If they didn’t see it, they committed malpractice.

    Or they had a client who didn’t want to hear it.

    The latter would be my guess, assuming required financial disclosure is a universal in lawsuits alleging financial damage.
    Rather than say it’s “universal” as such, I’d say it should be assumed that if you allege financial damages, you absolutely should anticipate that discovery requests will include lots of requests about finances and about evidence actually showing financial damages.


  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    stetson wrote: »
    It’s definitely a given. If they didn’t see it, they committed malpractice.

    Or they had a client who didn’t want to hear it.

    The latter would be my guess, assuming required financial disclosure is a universal in lawsuits alleging financial damage.
    Rather than say it’s “universal” as such, I’d say it should be assumed that if you allege financial damages, you absolutely should anticipate that discovery requests will include lots of requests about finances and about evidence actually showing financial damages.


    Thanks Nick. I have been picturing myself (were I in that line of employment) at the BBC thinking 'oh no, we're all doomed' while much cannier news operators rub their hands at the opportunity they have just been presented with!
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    It seems to be that if he is dropping the financial damage side then he is not asking for any less in damages. Reduce the claim by half but still ask for the same money.
  • So Trump got out of Turkey in a separate military aircraft after being sneaked out of Airforce One in a catering truck.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    So Trump got out of Turkey in a separate military aircraft after being sneaked out of Airforce One in a catering truck.

    There’s a nasty part of me suspects it was a “honey truck”

  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    Perhaps it was a refrigerated truck.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    That's a tiring journey for an old man.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Boogie wrote: »
    That's a tiring journey for an old man.

    They used a catering truck to move him to a different plane that did not fly as Air Force One.

    Marco Rubio, other officials, and the press remained on the first plane which was used as a decoy, labeled Air Force One in flight (Air Force One is not a specific plane -- it's whatever plane the president is on). So they'd have all been dead if there had been a successful attack.

    It's not weird to hide the president if he's in danger. They didn't tell us where Biden was when he traveled to Ukraine. It's weird, dangerous, and immoral to use other people as unwitting decoys.
  • Weird, dangerous, and immoral - words which describe the Trump 'administration' well.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Not going to fault the secret service for the subterfuge in getting Trump out of Turkey, but I have to wonder what Trump felt like to be hidden in not one, but two catering trucks. One in Turkey and the other in London. After all, they had to get him back on the legendary AF One before he could deplane in England.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    It's fine. It is traditional for our prime ministers to hide from journalists in fridges. Visiting heads of state are welcome to participate.
  • There is a bright side to the Turkey story: trump will live in fear for the rest of his miserable life, knowing that drones can find him anywhere in the world. Will he even dare expose himself on golf courses?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 12
    If I were an operator trying to make political capital outta this airplane switcheroo thingamabob, I would emphasize the endangerment of high-level government officials rather than the endangerment of reporters. The first group are identified directly with the protection of national security, whereas the latter rank with lawyers in the category of jobs that we all agree are neccesary for the existence of a functioning democracy but everybody still thinks they have good reason to hate.
  • Will he even dare expose himself on golf courses?
    I wouldn't put it past him. :anguished:
  • Will he even dare expose himself on golf courses?
    I wouldn't put it past him. :anguished:

    Aaargh...!
  • Will he even dare expose himself on golf courses?
    I wouldn't put it past him. :anguished:

    Beat me to it!
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  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Hugal wrote: »

    Probably. Though I suspect any group applying for a grant was already in broad agreement with MAGA and its British counterparts to begin with.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    stetson wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »

    Probably. Though I suspect any group applying for a grant was already in broad agreement with MAGA and its British counterparts to begin with.

    Well sure, but the problem is that now they'll have more money!
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 12
    stetson wrote: »
    Hugal wrote: »

    Probably. Though I suspect any group applying for a grant was already in broad agreement with MAGA and its British counterparts to begin with.

    Well sure, but the problem is that now they'll have more money!

    I guess the question then becomes...

    How many people in Britain will be converted to the idea that honouring the Magna Carta entails halting the persecution of Tommy Robinson, solely as a result of MAGA types spending more money to propagate that particular opinion?

    (Cards on the table, I am a long-time skeptic of the idea that spending more money on promoting a particular viewpoint automatically equates to more people adopting that idea, among an otherwise recalcitrant population. See "2025 Wisconsin Supreme Court election" for a counterexample.)
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited August 12
    The Intercept and a group called the Freedom of the Press Foundation are suing Trump over Truth API, Truth Social's package offering early access to Trump's "market-moving tweets".

    As I opined earlier, 100 grand per month for the POSSIBLITY of getting pivotal inside-info doesn't seem like a great bet. Apparently, as of August 10th, Truth API has "more than 10 subscribers", and I suspect at least some of them are just using it as a front for a political donation.
  • Surely we all support Magna Carta, or did she die in vane?
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    Magna Carta was really about the barons' rights. The more important one for the rights of the common people was the Charter of the Forest in 1217. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_Forest
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    A friend of mine asked:

    If the call the AF plane the president flies on Air Force One,
    And the Marine Helicopter the president flies on Marine One,
    And the automobile the president rides on The Beast,
    What should they call the catering truck he hides in?
  • SojournerSojourner Shipmate
    The Sin Bin?
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    A friend of mine asked:

    If the call the AF plane the president flies on Air Force One,
    And the Marine Helicopter the president flies on Marine One,
    And the automobile the president rides on The Beast,
    What should they call the catering truck he hides in?

    The Wedding Cake.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited 2:30AM
    Sojourner wrote: »
    The Sin Bin?

    I think that might be a little too easily appropriated to make him look glamorous.

    Granted, my centre-right dad used to refer disparagingly to Batista's Cuba as a "sin bin", without even a hint of dark mystique. But outside such historical contextualization, applied to someone's personal behaviour, it could come off kinda like "Dude's really living the rock-star life." Which I believe still has a bit of appeal in more than a few separate social circles.
  • The F*ck*d Truck
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