Fucking Guns

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Where we corral all the senseless shootings.
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  • RooKRooK Administrator
    I'm horrified to admit that we even need to pre-create this thread.
  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    22 mass shootings in January, but only 3 so far in February. Let's not hold our breaths though...
  • RooKRooK Administrator
    No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly happens.
    (Updated with today's date, not that it matters.)
  • AristonAriston Circus Host
    "The administration's only concrete response was to initiate a study and call for a day of prayer. As a minister, I take prayer too seriously to use it as an excuse for avoiding work and responsibility. When a government commands more wealth and power than has ever been known in the history of the world, and offers no more than this, it is worse than blind, it is provocative."
    —MLK Jr., "Nonviolence and Social Change," 1967.

    So much for thoughts and prayers.
  • I nicked that for the live thread
  • RooKRooK Administrator
    This topic has broken my fragile respect for human kind. Again.
  • OhherOhher Shipmate
    For humankind? Or for the US variety? Other humans seem not to go in for spraying one another with high-velocity bullets with the same, er, gusto.
  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    The rest of us are contemptible in different ways.
  • Oh for God's sake let's not start the pond war again. <sing-song voice> Not all Americans are in favor of the lax gun laws we now have in place.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Shipmate, 8th Day Host
    No, we are not all in favor of abominably loose gun laws.

  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    Geez. You've barely been here half an hour.

    No. No Pond Wars. And no mention of Pond Wars either.
  • jbohnjbohn Shipmate
    The more things change... ;-)
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, Dead Horses Host
    Here's the link to the thread on the old site. Might be handy for reference.
  • BrendaCloughBrendaClough Shipmate
    edited March 1
    What could we possibly add to the toxic mix of the current gun debate, to give it more pungency? Oh, I know. How about a big scoop of some good old-fashioned anti-Semitism? https://forward.com/fast-forward/395043/nra-chief-singles-out-jewish-billionaires-in-socialism-rant/ No one is more reliable than Wayne LaPierre.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, Dead Horses Host
    This is I think the link you were after. The one above is broken.

    Did you look here?

  • JonahManJonahMan Shipmate
    edited February 28
    And now, in a "you couldn't make this up", an answer to the question "What could possibly go wrong with arming teachers?"

    https://ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-teacher-custody-after-shot-fired-school/Yszy9v7Z9Vy86bTp9ygdWJ/
  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    Brenda - we are currently in the grace period while everyone gets used to the new software. Preview Post is more your friend than usual, and there's the UBB thread in Styx for practice.

    Everyone else? This applies to you too.

    DT
    HH
  • Doc Tor wrote: »
    there's the UBB thread in Styx for practice.
    Technically, BBCode ... a bit like BB gun. I don't expect the US to join in the discussion about regulating BB guns that most of the rest of the world considers appropriate.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    JonahMan wrote: »
    And now, in a "you couldn't make this up", an answer to the question "What could possibly go wrong with arming teachers?"

    https://ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-teacher-custody-after-shot-fired-school/Yszy9v7Z9Vy86bTp9ygdWJ/

    That must be "fake news". Haven't we been told that all teachers are superhumanly accurate snipers who care more about their students than anything else in the world and never ever have any mental health issues? I'm sure this must have been fabricated by some anti-NRA PR firm to make guns look bad.[/sarcasm]
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    So now I guess it's cool for Republican presidents to advocate sending police into people's homes to take away their guns without due process [video].
    Take the guns first. Go through due process second.

    That's Donald Trump, with Mike Pence nodding along as he says it.
  • mousethiefmousethief Shipmate
    We are truly living in a third world country.
  • RossweisseRossweisse Shipmate, 8th Day Host
    Crœsos wrote: »
    ...Take the guns first. Go through due process second. ...

    Consider the source. He'll probably reverse himself, via tweet, at 6 tomorrow morning.

    Rossweisse // I'm not dead yet




  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    I supposed no-one MWed the "rods of iron" service?
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Moonies. 'nuff said.

    Can I say what I'm sure lots of people have thought, that the thread title appears to be what people like the aforementioned would like to be doing?

    Bet there's internet porn for it, although that's a low bar.
  • luvanddaisiesluvanddaisies Shipmate
    edited March 1
    *just noticed Climacus’s comment above after posting, and couldn’t find how to delete this in the edit window, so am adding this admission of my stupidity here!
    Sorry.

    JonahMan wrote: »
    And now, in a "you couldn't make this up", an answer to the question "What could possibly go wrong with arming teachers?"

    https://ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-teacher-custody-after-shot-fired-school/Yszy9v7Z9Vy86bTp9ygdWJ/
    ...and another entry in “you couldn’t make this up”...

    A service with bonus added guns -dedicating marriages and so on, frightening their local community enough that local school closed/moved for the day. Assault rifles and bullet crowns -serious levels of utter lunacy.

    https://apnews.com/34e81927d36f4c01b6d2527771d447c6
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Yeah, we just had that.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    edited March 1
    Crœsos wrote: »
    So now I guess it's cool for Republican presidents to advocate sending police into people's homes to take away their guns without due process [video].
    Take the guns first. Go through due process second.

    That's Donald Trump, with Mike Pence nodding along as he says it.

    I know he has severe opinion swings, and thought swings, and reality swings. But this is boggling, :astonished:

    I saw a clip of the meeting. He accused the GOP invitees of being afraid of the NRA, and said he wasn't! And more along those lines.

    Only thing I can think of is that maybe the Holy Spirit managed to wriggle into his mind, for a bit. Whether the effects last until tomorrow...or long enough to actually get something written and signed...

    Or maybe he's going to meet space aliens at Roswell, and they insisted that he make progress on the gun mess first.

    Or someone threatened to take away his cell phone AND his TV.

    Flip a 3-sided coin/die. :votive:
  • BoogieBoogie Shipmate
    Who would have thought that Wallmart would lead the way?

    https://tinyurl.com/ybxmt84d

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  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Administrator
    Golden Key wrote: »
    Only thing I can think of is that maybe the Holy Spirit managed to wriggle into his mind, for a bit. Whether the effects last until tomorrow...
    Or a spirit of the liquid kind? The common effects in the morning include difficulty concentrating, hyper-excitability and anxiety, along with the headache, dry throat, and nausea.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    edited March 1
    Alan--

    Not unless he violates his lifelong avoidance of alcohol. His big brother was an alcoholic, and very forcefully urged T to never drink. Said brother died from alcoholism, so T keeps his promise.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, Dead Horses Host
    I think he might have been clever. He's probably been told that the House will block anything which upsets the NRA too much. There will be some token change.

    One of the Democrats at the meeting observed that deaths from guns in the US were at least 20 times higher than in the rest of the developed world. And there was no evidence that US mental health was any worse than in the rest of the developed world, So this focus on mental health, rather than taking a serious look at gun control, wasn't looking at the real problem. An observation which dropped like a stone and sank beneath the water.

    It remains the real issue. And raising rifle purchase age, and removing guns from folks with mental problems, will not have a massive impact on the US homicide by gun rate.

    But I suppose a bipartisan bill getting through Congress would be a start.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Purgatory Host, Dead Horses Host
    edited March 1
  • Golden Key wrote: »
    Only thing I can think of is that maybe the Holy Spirit managed to wriggle into his mind, for a bit.

    Maybe Billy Graham lying in state in the Capitol has had an effect.
  • Is he lying-in-state? Or is he, more likely, spinning like a top?
    :disappointed:

    IJ
  • No, I am certain Graham would have been perfectly fine with the current incumbent. He liked Nixon, so he clearly had a tropism towards power. Being in the White House cloaked every sin.
  • CrœsosCrœsos Shipmate
    Golden Key wrote: »
    I saw a clip of the meeting. He [Trump] accused the GOP invitees of being afraid of the NRA, and said he wasn't! And more along those lines.

    People should offer their thoughts and prayers to Wayne LaPierre who blew $30 million to elect this guy. :lol:
  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    Barnabas62 wrote: »

    Man's seen some shit. Things you wouldn't believe.
  • edited March 1
    MEC (Mountain Equipment Co-op, in Canada, one of the largest outdoor and equipment stores has dropped all products connected with Vista Outdoor (which owns companies like Bell Sports, Giro, Camelbak, Serengeti, Camp Chef). MEC's never sold any guns, ammo or weapons, but has sold products made by companies affiliated and owned by gun companies. Not any longer. Some 12% of Canadians are members of MEC.

    We can't do anything directly, but we can do indirect, like this.
  • RooKRooK Administrator
    Only 12%? Seems like 100% of Canucks outside of Canada can be identified by our MEC gear.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Barnabas62 wrote: »

    I knew the basics of the incident, which was awful.. But that article explains various previous incidents/issues the teacher had--serious enough that IMHO he should have had a long sabbatical from the classroom to get in-patient help at a psych facility.
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    Is he lying-in-state? Or is he, more likely, spinning like a top?
    :disappointed:

    IJ

    Checking out the heavenly golf course. He wanted golf in Heaven; and his wife Ruth said "If not that, something better".
    :)

  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    Like Kiwis and our mac packs, which have a small map of NZ showing where Christchurch is.

    Huia - proud Mac pack wearer :grin:
  • This shows you how politics tie into guns in the US: Russians join the NRA. You will recall that the Russians gave $30 million to the NRA, which then turned right around and donated it to the current president's campaign. It is impossible to believe that Vladimir Putin's cronies are doing this from disinterested motives.
  • No, I am certain Graham would have been perfectly fine with the current incumbent. He liked Nixon, so he clearly had a tropism towards power. Being in the White House cloaked every sin.

    This was definitely a failing of his-- but one he readily acknowledged, and spoke of frequently towards the end of his life. I can't imagine him approving of Trump-- but then, he had more than 12 months to speak out against him and didn't. The fact that his son Franklin is so obviously enamored by Trump perhaps complicated things.

    (*tangent* confirmation bias possibly at work here: as noted on another thread, I've always had a soft spot for Billy, despite his many flaws. Franklin, not so much. Billy really built up modern American evangelicalism, Franklin seems intent on destroying it*end tangent*)
  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    @cliffdweller - just a suggestion, that if you want to explore the differences between father and son, a Purg thread would probably have traction.
  • Sorry-- my penchant for bunny trails seems to have followed me to the new vessel. Will try to watch that
  • Doc TorDoc Tor Hell Host
    It was an actual suggestion, rather than an admonition.

    Look, I can't even tell when I'm being sarcastic anymore... :confused:
  • Golden KeyGolden Key Shipmate
    cliffdweller--

    BG might not have been able to comment. He was very old; and IIRC had some sort of long-term illness.
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