What did you sing at church today?

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  • It has become so as the two have become confused.

    BTW I see that you put the apostrophe at the end of Mothers. That's correct in my view - but most merchandise etc puts it before the s. Why? Which mother (or father) are we commemorating?
  • Our own, presumably!
    :wink:

    (BTW, @Baptist Trainfan - PMs replied to - let me know if you've received the reply, as there may be a gap in cyberspace, or something).
  • (Replied now).
  • Spike wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Trinity 3 at Our Place was kept as *Fathers Day* or *Fathering Sunday* (aka a Feast of St Hallmark), . . . .
    Father’s Day, at least in the US, predates Hallmark by a year. I wouldn’t classify it as a Hallmark Holiday.

    Mothering Sunday predates Hallmark by several hundred years, but that doesn’t prevent it from being a Hallmark Holiday
    Hallmark holiday, as I hear the term used, is a “holiday” basically created and marketed by the greeting card industry and related commercial gift-giving interests. Those interests certainly picked up Mother’s Day and Father’s Day and ran with them, but they didn’t create them.

    I would view Mother’s Day and Father’s Day in the same category as Valentine’s Day—days that have certainly been commercialized like crazy, but that came into existence independently of commercial interests. Others’ mileage may, of course, vary.

    BTW I see that you put the apostrophe at the end of Mothers. That's correct in my view - but most merchandise etc puts it before the s. Why? Which mother (or father) are we commemorating?
    Anna Jarvis is credited with creating and promoting Mother’s Day in the US. She founded the the Mother's Day International Association. A Methodist, she intended it to be primarily a family and church observance, and she did not like the commercialization that came to surround the day. According to Wikipedia (and as @Bishops Finger says :wink: ):
    She specifically noted that “Mother’s” should “be a singular possessive, for each family to honor its own mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world.” This is also the spelling used by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in his 1914 presidential proclamation, by the U.S. Congress in relevant bills, and by various U.S. presidents in their proclamations concerning Mother's Day.
    The spelling of Father’s Day followed Mother’s Day in using a singular possessive.

  • Communion, so only time for three hymns (sermon 22 minutes long - only 1 hour allocated for our early service)

    All Hail the Power of Jesus’ Name! (Coronation)
    Guide me O thou Great Redeemer (Cwm Rhonda)
    Blest be the Tie That Binds (Dennis)
  • But at our second morning service (also communion - same sermon)
    • Days of Elijah
    • The Heart of Worship
    • Open the Eyes of my Heart
    • Draw Me Close
    • Worthy is the Lamb
    I imagine they have tunes but don't know for sure what they are.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    edited June 2024
    I'm sort of assuming that Worthy is the Lamb wasn't sung to this tune? :mrgreen:
  • DardaDarda Shipmate
    Piglet wrote: »
    I'm sort of assuming that Worthy is the Lamb wasn't sung to this tune? :mrgreen:

    More likely to have been this?
  • Plain Trinity 4 at Our Place today, with the Gospel reading being about Jesus stilling the storm. The rather eclectic, but mostly appropriate, selection of hymns was this:

    Lead us, heavenly Father, lead us
    (Mannheim)
    Inspired by love and anger (words by John Bell - tune Salley Gardens)
    Be still, my soul (Finlandia)
    Give thanks with a grateful heart (words and music by Henry Smith)

    (Re last week's *Fathering Sunday*, I hear that the unfortunate few present at Mass were enjoined to sing - with gusto - the ghastly and gruesome Onward, Christian families, sing a happy song as the closing hymn...)
    :scream:
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Mass at the Basilica of St Anne d'Auray in Brittany. The church is part of a complex laid out in a small park. It was built to celebrate the supposed apparition of St Anne to a peasant. Presumably her daughter Mary was a bit busy that day and got her Mum to stand in.
    Singing was led by a lady animateur (animatrix?) and accompanied by a very fine organist and two Bombard players. These are extremely loud and rustic Breton members of the oboe family. They have a very sharp and piercing nasal sound. They played whenever the congregation sang, giving an unmissable lead.
    Hymns were unknown to me, and as is the way with French liturgical music, they.lay slightly too high for comfort and cunningly avoided a memorable tune. But people sang them well - presumably to drown out the racket from those bombards. The final hymn was in Breton - which looks like nothing else but sounds 100% French - and was belted out lustily by all. There must have been 400 there.
    The organist played Bach's Dorian prelude and fugue at the end. It's a favourite of mine.
    People stood from the start of the Preface until they had received communion, when they sat. No kneelers, so no kneeling.
    The whole thing was marvellous., from the smells and bells down to the Lady altar that had been profusely decked out with vase after random vase of blue hydrangeas undoubtedly from people's gardens where they grow in numbers.
    Lovely.
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    animateur - and animatrice

    Sainte Anne - and - Saint Yves (Saint Ives in Cornwall) are the patron saints of Brittany
  • I've heard those bombards at a "pardon" in Pont-Aven - but not in church!
  • TruronTruron Shipmate
    Nativity of St John Baptist (transferred)

    "Solemn Mass"

    John the prophet of the highest (Deerhurst)
    Thorne St Thomas Mass
    Celtic Alleluia
    Across the years there echoes still (Dominus regit me)
    God called great prophets to foretell (St Bernard)
    The great foreunner of the morn (Winchester New)
    Angelus based on a single psalm chant (and during which a loud bell was rung which was very discordant and made accompaniment difficult 😡)

    A very high church anglican place, the first hymn was from a small blue book entitled "English Catholic Hymn Book" the numbers of which began at 745(?) I think. It seemed to contain what looked like creaking translations of Latin hymns and exotic material pertaining to the BVM but the St John hymn was fairly sane. Is anyone familiar with it? The hymn at Communion was from the current Roman breviary I was told and the last was a recognisably Anglican offering from A&M. It was all very different from the type of Mass in local Catholic churches that I have experienced when helping out which is much simpler and does not inclide anything fancy. It is also much 'lighter' musically and I have never heard an Angelus said or been asked to play one.
  • David & Goliath.

    “We sing the almighty power of God” (St Matthew).
    “Be bold, be strong”.
    "God of grace and God of glory” (Rhuddlan).
    “He who would valiant be” (Monk's Gate).
    “We rest on thee, our Shield and our Defender!” (Finlandia).

    Exit music: “I’ll go in the strength of the Lord”.
  • Truron wrote: »
    Nativity of St John Baptist (transferred)

    "Solemn Mass"

    John the prophet of the highest (Deerhurst)
    Thorne St Thomas Mass
    Celtic Alleluia
    Across the years there echoes still (Dominus regit me)
    God called great prophets to foretell (St Bernard)
    The great foreunner of the morn (Winchester New)
    Angelus based on a single psalm chant (and during which a loud bell was rung which was very discordant and made accompaniment difficult 😡)

    A very high church anglican place, the first hymn was from a small blue book entitled "English Catholic Hymn Book" the numbers of which began at 745(?) I think. It seemed to contain what looked like creaking translations of Latin hymns and exotic material pertaining to the BVM but the St John hymn was fairly sane. Is anyone familiar with it? The hymn at Communion was from the current Roman breviary I was told and the last was a recognisably Anglican offering from A&M. It was all very different from the type of Mass in local Catholic churches that I have experienced when helping out which is much simpler and does not inclide anything fancy. It is also much 'lighter' musically and I have never heard an Angelus said or been asked to play one.

    Someone will confirm, but I think the English Catholic Hymn Book may be a sort of addendum to the English Hymnal. If that august publication has 744 items, that may explain why 745 is the first in the ECHB...

    Just a guess, though, as I don't possess a copy of the English Hymnal these days.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Truron wrote: »
    Nativity of St John Baptist (transferred)

    "Solemn Mass"

    John the prophet of the highest (Deerhurst)
    Thorne St Thomas Mass
    Celtic Alleluia
    Across the years there echoes still (Dominus regit me)
    God called great prophets to foretell (St Bernard)
    The great foreunner of the morn (Winchester New)
    Angelus based on a single psalm chant (and during which a loud bell was rung which was very discordant and made accompaniment difficult 😡)

    A very high church anglican place, the first hymn was from a small blue book entitled "English Catholic Hymn Book" the numbers of which began at 745(?) I think. It seemed to contain what looked like creaking translations of Latin hymns and exotic material pertaining to the BVM but the St John hymn was fairly sane. Is anyone familiar with it? The hymn at Communion was from the current Roman breviary I was told and the last was a recognisably Anglican offering from A&M. It was all very different from the type of Mass in local Catholic churches that I have experienced when helping out which is much simpler and does not inclide anything fancy. It is also much 'lighter' musically and I have never heard an Angelus said or been asked to play one.

    Someone will confirm, but I think the English Catholic Hymn Book may be a sort of addendum to the English Hymnal. If that august publication has 744 items, that may explain why 745 is the first in the ECHB...

    Just a guess, though, as I don't possess a copy of the English Hymnal these days.

    Alas for that elegant hypothesis the EH appears to contain a mere 656 items.
  • TruronTruron Shipmate
    Just looked at my (old) English Hymnal and see the last item is 744 (Russian Contakion) so @Bishops Finger must be quite correct. I womder if many chirches ever used this supplement 🤔
  • The Lord's my Shepherd (Townend)
    O for a Thousand Tongues (Lyngham)
    O Thou Who Camest from Above (Hereford)
    Lo! He comes, with clouds descending (Hemsley)

    Triple Wesley today - we'll be applying to join the Methodists soon.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Pentecost 5 at St Pete's, and no mention of St John the Baptist*, which was a disappointment. I should have pointed out to the liturgically-inept J before I did that we ought to have had:

    On Jordan's bank the Baptist's cry
    If I were a Baptist, so would I
    They drink no beer, they have no fun
    I'm glad that I'm an Anglican!


    I also feel bereft at this time of year without This is the record of John, but there's not much I can do about that. :cry:

    * I mentioned it to the Sacristan, who said it was some sort of edict from the House of Bishops that decrees we don't mark too many saints' days. Stuff that for a lark.

    What we did have was:

    He who would valiant be - Monks Gate
    Through all the changing scenes of life Wiltshire
    Lord, for the years - Lord of the Years
    There is a redeemer - There is a Redeemer
    Living God, your word has called us - Ode to Joy

    I suppose at least we went out with a half-decent earworm ...
  • Our Place is (correctly) observing The Nativity Of John The Baptist tomorrow, but the usual Monday congregation of one is at Away...so FatherInCharge has sent out an email appealing for a substitute or two...

    OTOH, next Sunday will be kept as The Feast Of St Peter And St Paul, with a Votive Mass (whatever that may be) on the actual day (Saturday 29th).
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 2024
    (missed the Edit window!)

    No doubt the Sunday Mass will feature suitable Peter & Paul hymns, but a nod to the Baptist could have been made today by having a suitable JTB hymn to conclude the service.

    I rather like Hail, harbinger of morn, though the tune is rather complex, or so ISTM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaLCIWV5FRk&list=RDWaLCIWV5FRk&start_radio=1
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    9.15 Parish Communion
    Guide me O thou great redeemer-Cwm Rhondda
    Give me joy in my heart- Sing Hosanna
    Thou didst leave thy throne- Margaret
    Give thanks with a grateful heart
    O for a thousand tongues to sing- Lyngham

    No organist and only two choir (Sopranos), 12 in congregation. The pianist informed us all how to repeat lines to sing Lyngham- not sure why she didn’t choose the simpler tune, as the three male voices present did not do justice to Lyngham.

    Choral Evensong in another church, our choir being invited to join them- an excellent service, though the priest muddled the order, forgetting the Psalm, which we had after the lessons and canticles, followed by the anthem and a hymn!
    Introit-Lord for thy tender mercies sake.
    Southwell Ferial Responses
    Lord’s Prayer- Stone
    Anthem- If ye love me- Tallis
    Hymns- Christ is made the sure foundation
    On Jordan’s bank
    Sing to the Lord a new song of creation
    And can it be
    A Simple Blessing

    Choir- 12 Sops/ trebles, 6 Altos, 2 tenors, 3/4 basses. congregation 20+, seated in the chancel, with their backs to the high altar.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited June 2024
    Today—Fifth Sunday after Pentecost, with Jesus calming the storm—we had:

    “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God”/EIN FESTE BURG
    “Glory to God, Whose Goodness Shines on Me”/GLORY TO GOD
    “Lonely the Boat”/BAI
    “God of Great and God of Small”/GOD OF GREAT

    There were a few other sung responses/bits.

  • Pentecost V

    Be Still, My Soul (FINLANDIA)
    Precious Lord, Take My Hand (PRECIOUS LORD)
    It Is Well With My Soul (VILLE DU HAVRE)
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    Pentecost 5 / Solemn Mass

    Ye servants of God, your Master proclaim (Paderborn)
    O for a thousand tongues to sing (Azmon)
    Eternal Father, strong to save (Melita)
    Go forth for God; go to the world in peace (Litton)

    Choral:
    Alessandro Costantini: Confitemini Domino
    Guilio Bentivoglio: O salutaris hostia II
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Truron wrote: »
    Just looked at my (old) English Hymnal and see the last item is 744 (Russian Contakion) so @Bishops Finger must be quite correct. I womder if many chirches ever used this supplement 🤔

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    Hymnary.org has it finish at "See him in raiment rent": https://hymnary.org/hymnal/EH1906?page=7

    My apologies, @Bishops Finger.
  • Truron wrote: »
    Just looked at my (old) English Hymnal and see the last item is 744 (Russian Contakion) so @Bishops Finger must be quite correct. I womder if many chirches ever used this supplement 🤔

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    Hymnary.org has it finish at "See him in raiment rent": https://hymnary.org/hymnal/EH1906?page=7

    My apologies, @Bishops Finger.

    No problem, dear Sir! There are various versions of the English Hymnal, after all.

    Our Place used to employ the EH, but I've never heard of the English Catholic Hymn Book to which @Truron refers. Madam Sacristan has been attending Anglo-Catholic churches for the best part of 60 years, so she may well have come across it. I'll try to remember to ask her.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 2024
    BTW, the Reformed Church in Franeker (NL) had the reading from Mark's Gospel (Jesus stilling the storm), and lustily sang that popular English hymn Eternal Father, strong to save - in Dutch, of course, but to the familiar tune (Melita) by J B Dykes.

    I like their online services, as they always put the words and melody line of the hymns on screen. Yesterday's service included a couple of Genevan metrical psalms, and finished with a Dutch hymn based on God be with you till we meet again to the lovely tune (Randolph) by Ralph Vaughan Williams:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXq3van1aOs
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited June 2024
    I'd never heard of "Randolph" so I've just looked it up. Definitely nicer with organ than piano!
  • I'd never heard of "Randolph" so I've just looked it up. Definitely nicer with organ than piano!
    RANDOLPH is the tune I’ve always known and sung GBWYTWMA to. Some very nice long-time associations there.

  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Oh yes, same here. I haven’t sung it for years.
  • I've only sung the hymn to "God be with you" which I strongly suspect is the original one. It is often sung (well, not so much these days!) with a refrain "Till we meet .." which isn't in score printed here. https://hymnary.org/tune/god_be_with_you_tomer
  • TruronTruron Shipmate
    "Patronal Eucharist" for St John Baptist's feast day

    On Jordan's bank (Winchester New)
    Salazar Gloria
    Plainchant Alleluia
    Lo! from the desert homes (Darwalls 148th)
    Celtic Sanctus
    There is a river which flows from God above
    In our day of thanksgiving (St Catherines Court)

    Not a bad number for a Monday night but it is light evenings and they put on summery refreshments. All well sung hymns and a nice vibe, the hymn at Communion was very 'folksy' and not known to me previously. It was from a version of the Celebration Hymnal and the tenors had much fun in it 😏😂
  • I've only sung the hymn to "God be with you" which I strongly suspect is the original one. It is often sung (well, not so much these days!) with a refrain "Till we meet .." which isn't in score printed here. https://hymnary.org/tune/god_be_with_you_tomer

    Yes, that's the tune I remember from The Church Of My Youth. The tune Randolph by RVW was unknown to me, until I heard it sung online at the Dutch church I mentioned.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 2024
    For anyone interested, here's Randolph, as sung at Franeker last Sunday - scroll to about 59 minutes in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_eG1uHkp0I

    Unlike some other Reformed churches in the Netherlands, this congregation seems to like singing hymns at a reasonable pace!
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    @Bishop's Finger a 'Votive' Mass is one which is celebrated not on the day assigned to a particular saint or other commemoration .
    As you probably know, in RC terms, the Feast of the Sacred Heart is on the Friday after the Octave of Corpus Christi but often throughout the year particularly on the first Friday of a month a 'Votive Mass in honour of the Sacred Heart of Jesus ' will be celebrated.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Forthview wrote: »
    @Bishop's Finger a 'Votive' Mass is one which is celebrated not on the day assigned to a particular saint or other commemoration .
    As you probably know, in RC terms, the Feast of the Sacred Heart is on the Friday after the Octave of Corpus Christi but often throughout the year particularly on the first Friday of a month a 'Votive Mass in honour of the Sacred Heart of Jesus ' will be celebrated.

    Only on days with no other commemoration. A votive mass of the Holy Spirit sometimes starts the academic or legal years. The legal ones are known as Red Masses due to the colour of the judges and priests clobber.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited June 2024
    Alan29 wrote: »
    Forthview wrote: »
    @Bishop's Finger a 'Votive' Mass is one which is celebrated not on the day assigned to a particular saint or other commemoration .
    As you probably know, in RC terms, the Feast of the Sacred Heart is on the Friday after the Octave of Corpus Christi but often throughout the year particularly on the first Friday of a month a 'Votive Mass in honour of the Sacred Heart of Jesus ' will be celebrated.

    Only on days with no other commemoration. A votive mass of the Holy Spirit sometimes starts the academic or legal years. The legal ones are known as Red Masses due to the colour of the judges and priests clobber.

    Thank you.
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Funeral, or rather, aService of Thanksgiving following cremation, at which the choir was invited to lead the hymns.
    The Lord’s my shepherd. (Crimond.)
    How great thou art.
    One more step along the world I go.

    The congregation sang pretty well, but it included 6 clergy and a number of regular churchgoers, for this retired Church Warden. The organist’s accompaniment sounded like a fairground organ for the second and third hymns. Most inappropriate. I think he was put out as no voluntary was required. Recorded music was played:
    Bring Him Home from Les Misérables
    Rac2 ie an extract from Rachmaninov’s second piano concerto.
  • Puzzler wrote: »
    Bring Him Home from Les Misérables
    An interesting choice for a funeral.

  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    edited June 2024
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Puzzler wrote: »
    Bring Him Home from Les Misérables
    An interesting choice for a funeral.
    I first heard that on the radio when my older brother was in intensive care (he didn't make it). It's not as though all the lyrics were appropriate, but I still bawled my eyes out.

    /tangent
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Puzzler wrote: »
    ... The organist’s accompaniment sounded like a fairground organ for the second and third hymns. Most inappropriate ...
    Oh I don't know - my late brother-in-law specifically requested the Sortie in E flat by Lefebure-Wely (look it up) as the going-out music at his funeral (David was playing) and a more "fairground-music" piece you couldn't wish for.

    It kind of became a family tradition: he played it at both my parents' funerals as well.

    I think the oddest thing he was ever asked for was Thank Heaven for Little Girls - he said he felt a right berk playing it, as he reckoned the congregation wouldn't know it had been requested and probably thought he was arsing about!
  • For your edification, here's a fine performance of the Sortie in E flat:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu7CalxGAIU&t=4255s

    Scroll forward to about 1.06...
  • A certain organist of my acquaintance refused to play the Sortie as the postlude to church services as he thought it was too "frivolous". Conversely another organist sent the congregation home happy with his improvised Fantasy on the "Songs of Praise" theme tune.
  • For your edification, here's a fine performance of the Sortie in E flat:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu7CalxGAIU&t=4255s

    Scroll forward to about 1.06...
    Yes, he's got the "feel" of it just right.

  • AIUI, Lefébure-Wély wrote his Sorties (there are several) in order to encourage people to quickly leave the church after Mass, to make way for the crowds arriving for the next service!
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    I enjoy a playful spirit in an organist: concealed melodies on the pedals, apt choices of music for a day/ season/ occasion. One I remember was from a Sunday in early May going out to a stirring tune which I struggled to place, only to realise at the foot of the aisle that it was John Williams’ Imperial March from Star Wars. It was May 4th!
  • I'm sure we used to have a dedicated thread about Organists Behaving Badly, but (at the risk of prolonging a tangent) the deputy organist at the Church Of My Youth - very conservative Prayer Book Evangelical - loved the ragtime music of Joplin and the rest.

    She would start a fairly solemn postlude, after Evening Prayer, which would gradually morph into a syncopated rhythm, and could then be recognised as a rag...which sounded wonderful on the large pipe organ we had (I don't know what make it was).

    Most of the congregation loved it, and would stay until she'd finished, with the notable exception of our very strait-laced Vicar's Warden, who most certainly Did Not Approve Of Levity On The Sabbath.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Then there was the organist at a theological college (CofE) who got into trouble for doing a fancy French toccata on "Hooray and up she rises" on the feast of the Assumption.
    Back to wot we will be doing tomorrow for St Peter and Paul
    Do not be afraid
    Take this moment (Bell)
    The Lord hears the cry of the poor.
    Be not afraid.

    In the olden days we carflicks used to sing things like "Full in the panting heart of Rome" (affectionately known as farting pants.) And "Faith of our Fathers." I expect there are places that still do. It must be at least 60 years since I last sang either of them.
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