No farting pants at Our Place tomorrow (I hope ), but the following selection for St Peter and St Paul:
Captains of the saintly band (Harts? Don't know that one)
Something from *The Sheet* (see below) Jesu, Son of Mary (Caswall? Probably) Thy hand, O God, has guided (Thornbury)
The something from The Sheet (laminated cards produced some time ago by our late Reader, using hymns from several different books) will probably be something Catholic - possibly even Faith of our Fathers, which isn't in our default book.
AIUI, Lefébure-Wély wrote his Sorties (there are several) in order to encourage people to quickly leave the church after Mass, to make way for the crowds arriving for the next service!
Would that work? I'd stay to listen to the end!
It's said that, when loudspeakers were first installed at London Waterloo station (?1930s), martial music was played in the mornings to get incoming commuters off the station quickly, with more soothing music played during the evening rush-hour.
AIUI, Lefébure-Wély wrote his Sorties (there are several) in order to encourage people to quickly leave the church after Mass, to make way for the crowds arriving for the next service!
Would that work? I'd stay to listen to the end!
It's said that, when loudspeakers were first installed at London Waterloo station (?1930s), martial music was played in the mornings to get incoming commuters off the station quickly, with more soothing music played during the evening rush-hour.
Well, I suppose the idea was that the Sorties would at least get people moving quickly, but yes, I do wonder how many stayed for the whole piece! Mind you, they're not all that long, and it may only have taken the 4 or 5 minutes to clear the church, which would be good going.
I used to cross the main concourse at Waterloo in the early 70s, and they did indeed broadcast cheerful and lively martial music in the mornings. I don't recall what was being played in the evenings, though
Thou art the Christ O God (Gopsal)
Thorne St Thomas Mass
Celtic Alleluia
Forsaken once and thrice denied (Saffron Walden)
O the love of my Lord is the essence
We have a gospel to proclaim (Fulda)
This place decided to have a midday Eucharist today and follow it with a buffet lunch which could be had outside if desired. All went well and a surprisingly good number who sang merrily!
We've done that sort of thing in the past, when our Patronal fell on a Saturday, though the buffet lunch was inside (our Patronal is much later in the year!).
“When morning gilds the skies” (Laudes Domini).
“God loves you, and I love you” (Anon).
“O Christ, you wept” (Ye Banks and Braes).
“In heavenly love abiding” (Penlan).
“Man of Sorrows!” (Man of Sorrows).
Being the fifth Sunday in the month, early morning communion was a Book of Common Prayer service. We sang -
Tell Out, My Soul Woodlands
Blessed Assurance Assurance
Be Thou My Vision Slane
Our Patronal Festival today at St Pete's, at which a very sparse congregation (about 20 of us) sang, moderately lustily and with good courage:
Be thou my vision - Slane Fight the good fight - Duke Street Jerusalem the golden - Ewing God! As with silent hearts - The Supreme Sacrifice* And can it be - Sagina
* At first this seemed unseasonal, but to this former Canadian resident, it was actually quite appropriate, as tomorrow is Memorial Day in Newfoundland, when they remember the 800 soldiers of the Newfoundland Regiment who went out to fight at Beaumont Hamel, of whom only about 70 came back.
Meekness And Majesty (Kendrick) In Christ alone (Townend) He Who Would Valiant Be (Monk's Gate) O Jesus, I Have Promised (Day of Rest)
The tune for the final hymn proved controversial. Not what people were expecting, although I'm told it's the first tune in Song of Fellowship and the Baptist Hymn Book. We usually sing it to Thornbury, but not our usual pianist this morning.
After an uplifting service yesterday (thank you @Bisshop's Finger for your approval of the hymns, unusually I had some input!) it was back down to earth today for a Mattins without any choir and with no shortage of bestial howling 😮
Jerusalem the golden (Ewing)
*much screeching 😩 even though I put the key down to C
Venite
Te Deum
Jubilate
Let is with a gladsome mind (Monkland)
*should have put the key down on this one as well,
Pleasant are thy courts above (Maidstone)
I cannot tell (Londonderry Air)
Just having a drink to forget the peacock cage effect in the penultimate line of that last hymn. They all enjoyed it ... I did not 🥸
The tune for the final hymn proved controversial. Not what people were expecting, although I'm told it's the first tune in Song of Fellowship and the Baptist Hymn Book. We usually sing it to Thornbury, but not our usual pianist this morning.
It's a minefield - it can also go to "Wolvercote" and "Hatherop Castle", among others.
After an uplifting service yesterday (thank you @Bisshop's Finger for your approval of the hymns, unusually I had some input!) it was back down to earth today for a Mattins without any choir and with no shortage of bestial howling 😮
Jerusalem the golden (Ewing)
*much screeching 😩 even though I put the key down to C
Venite
Te Deum
Jubilate
Let is with a gladsome mind (Monkland)
*should have put the key down on this one as well,
Pleasant are thy courts above (Maidstone)
I cannot tell (Londonderry Air)
Just having a drink to forget the peacock cage effect in the penultimate line of that last hymn. They all enjoyed it ... I did not 🥸
I find that as congregations get steadily older anything above C is best avoided. I now play Now thank we all our God in D and they are able to sing lustily, which they certainly cant do in F!
Our Place had the hymns I listed earlier, but alas! my Spy is unable to tell me what the *Something on The Sheet* was! She didn't recognise it, and was too busy assisting FatherInCharge at the Offertory to pay much attention to it...
The tune for the final hymn proved controversial. Not what people were expecting, although I'm told it's the first tune in Song of Fellowship and the Baptist Hymn Book. We usually sing it to Thornbury, but not our usual pianist this morning.
It's a minefield - it can also go to "Wolvercote" and "Hatherop Castle", among others.
ANGEL’S STORY would be the expected tune among my people.
The tune issue over "O Jesus I have promised" is always mildly amusing as everyone thinks 'their' tune is the only right one. I believe in general English circles "Wolvercote" is pretty much the norm but I sometimes get asked to play "Day of Rest" in country parishes. "Hatherop Castle" I always found to be impossible to accompamy on the organ rhythmically although others may be able to, a piano is better for that imho. I would agree it is a hymn in the middle of quite a minefield! Just to add to the list the (old) English Hymnal had a wretched tune "Missionary Hymn" set to it which was even worse than the dull "Aurelia" so hated by some 😏 and I bet few of you have had the misfortune to discover it 🤣
Hymnary, I have noticed, seems to lean heavily to the west side of the pond, which may account for that finding.
We had:
Lord, from the depths to thee I cried (MARTYRDOM)
Love divine (HYFRYDOL)
We cannot measure how you heal
For the healing of the nations (RHUDDLAN)
Your hand, O God, has guided (THORNBURY)
Filled in at my parents' Christian Reformed church, at which we had:
All People That On Earth Do Dwell (OLD 100TH)
For The Beauty of The Earth (DIX)
O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing (AZMON)
Just As I Am (WOODWORTH)
Love Divine (HYFRYDOL)
Back at my usual place, the selections were:
All The Colors of the Rainbow (ABBOT'S LEIGH), in commemoration of Pride Sunday/50th anniversary of Stonewall
There is a Balm in Gilead
Great Is Thy Faithfulness
And, FWIW, I've never heard "O Jesus, I Have Promised" to anything other than ANGEL'S STORY, although I think the Episcopal hymnal has it to NYLAND.
Although I missed my usual place, I was reminded of the spiritually moving experience that is the robust four-part singing of the Reformed tradition...I let them have a couple of a capella verses that were rather moving.
which sounded wonderful on the large pipe organ we had (I don't know what make it was).
You could try searching the National Pipe Organ Register ( https://npor.org.uk/search ) for details of the instrument. This has information on almost every pipe organ that has been used in UK in the last 100 years or so.
Thanks for that @Ex_Organist - a quick look at the Register shows that the organ in question was built by Gray & Davison in 1925, superseding one by H Fincham installed when the church was built.
The Gray & Davison organ was rebuilt by Hill Norman & Beard in 1971, and now I come to think of it, there was a period during which it wasn't available. I can't recall what might have been used in the meantime, though.
And, FWIW, I've never heard "O Jesus, I Have Promised" to anything other than ANGEL'S STORY, although I think the Episcopal hymnal has it to NYLAND.
As does the Presbyterian hymnal.
Although I missed my usual place, I was reminded of the spiritually moving experience that is the robust four-part singing of the Reformed tradition...I let them have a couple of a capella verses that were rather moving.
Well done!
We missed church today, as we had to be on the road to get to a funeral. The hymns at the funeral were:
“Amazing Grace”
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me”/ALL THE WAY
“For All the Saints”/SINE NOMINE
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me,” by the prolific Fanny Crosby, was a new one for my wife and me. It’s not in the hymnal (the funeral was at a Presbyterian church), and never has been in any Presbyterian hymnal I’m familiar with; a sheet with it was provided with the bulletin.
At 6pm the Feast Sunday( Patronal Festival) service was the culmination of events in the village where I worship, with Horticultural Show and many events on the Saturday and Parade Service which included Remembrance prayers, Last Post etc at the WarMemorial in the churchyard.
Hymns were:
O Praise Ye the Lord - Laudate Dominum
How sweet the name of Jesus sounds- St Peter
Will your anchor hold? -will your anchor..
Jerusalem
National Anthem
Choir- A Simple Blessing - unknown
At 6pm the Feast Sunday( Patronal Festival) service was the culmination of events in the village where I worship, with Horticultural Show and many events on the Saturday and Parade Service which included Remembrance prayers, Last Post etc at the WarMemorial in the churchyard.
Hymns were:
O Praise Ye the Lord - Laudate Dominum
How sweet the name of Jesus sounds- St Peter
Will your anchor hold? -will your anchor..
Jerusalem
National Anthem
Choir- A Simple Blessing - unknown
The inclusion of so much Remembrance/National stuff seems a bit odd - is this usual on your Feast Sunday?
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me,” by the prolific Fanny Crosby, was a new one for my wife and me. It’s not in the hymnal (the funeral was at a Presbyterian church), and never has been in any Presbyterian hymnal I’m familiar with; a sheet with it was provided with the bulletin.
It was in the Presbyterian hymnal of my youth, evidently, but I can't say I ever remember singing it.
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me,” by the prolific Fanny Crosby, was a new one for my wife and me. It’s not in the hymnal (the funeral was at a Presbyterian church), and never has been in any Presbyterian hymnal I’m familiar with; a sheet with it was provided with the bulletin.
It was in the Presbyterian hymnal of my youth, evidently, but I can't say I ever remember singing it.
I went back and looked at The Hymnbook (1955), and you’re right, it’s there. It also appears to have been in the “Southern” church’s 1929 hymnal. I don’t remember singing it either. But the funeral was for a Presbyterian minister who died at 93, so it makes sense he might have been familiar with it and liked it.
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me,” by the prolific Fanny Crosby, was a new one for my wife and me. It’s not in the hymnal (the funeral was at a Presbyterian church), and never has been in any Presbyterian hymnal I’m familiar with; a sheet with it was provided with the bulletin.
It was in the Presbyterian hymnal of my youth, evidently, but I can't say I ever remember singing it.
I went back and looked at The Hymnbook (1955), and you’re right, it’s there. It also appears to have been in the “Southern” church’s 1929 hymnal. I don’t remember singing it either. But the funeral was for a Presbyterian minister who died at 93, so it makes sense he might have been familiar with it and liked it.
Thanks!
Haha, I was looking at the 1990 Trinity Hymnal: Revised, since I grew up PCA. (The full story of how I got from there to the Episcopal Church, with Lutheran and Reformed stops along the way, would perhaps be another story for another thread in another forum )
The inclusion of so much Remembrance/National stuff seems a bit odd - is this usual on your Feast Sunday?
Maybe because it was the day after Armed Forces Day?
Maybe, but @Puzzler says that's how they always do Feast Day. Does Armed Forces Day usually fall on or about the Feast of St Peter & St Paul, I wonder?
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me,” by the prolific Fanny Crosby, was a new one for my wife and me. It’s not in the hymnal (the funeral was at a Presbyterian church), and never has been in any Presbyterian hymnal I’m familiar with; a sheet with it was provided with the bulletin.
It was in the Presbyterian hymnal of my youth, evidently, but I can't say I ever remember singing it.
I went back and looked at The Hymnbook (1955), and you’re right, it’s there. It also appears to have been in the “Southern” church’s 1929 hymnal. I don’t remember singing it either. But the funeral was for a Presbyterian minister who died at 93, so it makes sense he might have been familiar with it and liked it.
Thanks!
Haha, I was looking at the 1990 Trinity Hymnal: Revised, since I grew up PCA. (The full story of how I got from there to the Episcopal Church, with Lutheran and Reformed stops along the way, would perhaps be another story for another thread in another forum )
Ah! Yes, I have a Trinity Hymnal in my collection, but I don’t think of it, I’m afraid, when I think of “Presbyterian hymnals.” I grew up in the PCUS, now PCUSA. But my wife’s grandmother was PCA—she’s actually the person who gave me the Trinity Hymnal.
Armed forces Day in the UK falls on a Saturday in late June, so yes, round about the Feast of Ss Peter and Paul. As to whether the Feast day significance is known to the military is another matter
I haven’t been attending this church very long ( 4+years) and I don’t know when the Remembrance thing was first done on Feast Sunday but nor does anyone else I asked. Nobody mentioned Armed Forces Day, though to be honest, AFD has not been on my radar till this year.
Introit: Jesus shall reign
Gradual: Firmly I believe and truly
Offertory: Immortal love
Communion: God be in my head
Anthem: Amazing grace (Rutter - I switched to piano for that).
Recessional: And can it be
I don’t get to choose the hymns, nor do I get to choose the speed - constant battle between my slower preferences and the music director’s super-fast preferences.
Closing music was some march I found in a Victorian book of voluntaries. Before the service I might’ve treated them to an arrangement of “Turn loose the mermaids” by the Scandi metal group Nightwish. 😇
I was on piano again at the evening service, which is more modern. We had Build My Life, Build Your Kingdom Here, You’re Beautiful and another one I’ve completely forgotten already.
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Captains of the saintly band (Harts? Don't know that one)
Something from *The Sheet* (see below)
Jesu, Son of Mary (Caswall? Probably)
Thy hand, O God, has guided (Thornbury)
The something from The Sheet (laminated cards produced some time ago by our late Reader, using hymns from several different books) will probably be something Catholic - possibly even Faith of our Fathers, which isn't in our default book.
Beneath the Apostle's crowning dome
Where pilgrims kneel to kiss the ground
Arises one only sound...............
On reaching Rome it was always clear there there was a multitude of sounds which arose
and not always like the next words of the hymn.
Would that work? I'd stay to listen to the end!
It's said that, when loudspeakers were first installed at London Waterloo station (?1930s), martial music was played in the mornings to get incoming commuters off the station quickly, with more soothing music played during the evening rush-hour.
Well, I suppose the idea was that the Sorties would at least get people moving quickly, but yes, I do wonder how many stayed for the whole piece! Mind you, they're not all that long, and it may only have taken the 4 or 5 minutes to clear the church, which would be good going.
I used to cross the main concourse at Waterloo in the early 70s, and they did indeed broadcast cheerful and lively martial music in the mornings. I don't recall what was being played in the evenings, though
Thou art the Christ O God (Gopsal)
Thorne St Thomas Mass
Celtic Alleluia
Forsaken once and thrice denied (Saffron Walden)
O the love of my Lord is the essence
We have a gospel to proclaim (Fulda)
This place decided to have a midday Eucharist today and follow it with a buffet lunch which could be had outside if desired. All went well and a surprisingly good number who sang merrily!
A good selection of hymns @Truron.
“When morning gilds the skies” (Laudes Domini).
“God loves you, and I love you” (Anon).
“O Christ, you wept” (Ye Banks and Braes).
“In heavenly love abiding” (Penlan).
“Man of Sorrows!” (Man of Sorrows).
Tell Out, My Soul Woodlands
Blessed Assurance Assurance
Be Thou My Vision Slane
Be thou my vision - Slane
Fight the good fight - Duke Street
Jerusalem the golden - Ewing
God! As with silent hearts - The Supreme Sacrifice*
And can it be - Sagina
* At first this seemed unseasonal, but to this former Canadian resident, it was actually quite appropriate, as tomorrow is Memorial Day in Newfoundland, when they remember the 800 soldiers of the Newfoundland Regiment who went out to fight at Beaumont Hamel, of whom only about 70 came back.
In Christ alone (Townend)
He Who Would Valiant Be (Monk's Gate)
O Jesus, I Have Promised (Day of Rest)
The tune for the final hymn proved controversial. Not what people were expecting, although I'm told it's the first tune in Song of Fellowship and the Baptist Hymn Book. We usually sing it to Thornbury, but not our usual pianist this morning.
After an uplifting service yesterday (thank you @Bisshop's Finger for your approval of the hymns, unusually I had some input!) it was back down to earth today for a Mattins without any choir and with no shortage of bestial howling 😮
Jerusalem the golden (Ewing)
*much screeching 😩 even though I put the key down to C
Venite
Te Deum
Jubilate
Let is with a gladsome mind (Monkland)
*should have put the key down on this one as well,
Pleasant are thy courts above (Maidstone)
I cannot tell (Londonderry Air)
Just having a drink to forget the peacock cage effect in the penultimate line of that last hymn. They all enjoyed it ... I did not 🥸
I find that as congregations get steadily older anything above C is best avoided. I now play Now thank we all our God in D and they are able to sing lustily, which they certainly cant do in F!
ANGEL’S STORY
I think you've shown good taste there.
Hymnary, I have noticed, seems to lean heavily to the west side of the pond, which may account for that finding.
We had:
Lord, from the depths to thee I cried (MARTYRDOM)
Love divine (HYFRYDOL)
We cannot measure how you heal
For the healing of the nations (RHUDDLAN)
Your hand, O God, has guided (THORNBURY)
Did you use "Banks and Braes" for "We cannot measure"?
I'm glad you didn't have dreary "Dulce Carmen" for "For the healing".
And another Pond difference.
Yes, thank you, BANKS AND BRAES was what I was trying to remember and failing.
Now I think about it, it was BLAENWERN we had, the book lists HYFRYDOL but I must have switched it when I did the recording.
Filled in at my parents' Christian Reformed church, at which we had:
All People That On Earth Do Dwell (OLD 100TH)
For The Beauty of The Earth (DIX)
O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing (AZMON)
Just As I Am (WOODWORTH)
Love Divine (HYFRYDOL)
Back at my usual place, the selections were:
All The Colors of the Rainbow (ABBOT'S LEIGH), in commemoration of Pride Sunday/50th anniversary of Stonewall
There is a Balm in Gilead
Great Is Thy Faithfulness
And, FWIW, I've never heard "O Jesus, I Have Promised" to anything other than ANGEL'S STORY, although I think the Episcopal hymnal has it to NYLAND.
Although I missed my usual place, I was reminded of the spiritually moving experience that is the robust four-part singing of the Reformed tradition...I let them have a couple of a capella verses that were rather moving.
You could try searching the National Pipe Organ Register ( https://npor.org.uk/search ) for details of the instrument. This has information on almost every pipe organ that has been used in UK in the last 100 years or so.
Fixed coding - Nenya, Ecclesiantics Host
The Gray & Davison organ was rebuilt by Hill Norman & Beard in 1971, and now I come to think of it, there was a period during which it wasn't available. I can't recall what might have been used in the meantime, though.
Well done!
We missed church today, as we had to be on the road to get to a funeral. The hymns at the funeral were:
“Amazing Grace”
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me”/ALL THE WAY
“For All the Saints”/SINE NOMINE
“All the Way My Savior Leads Me,” by the prolific Fanny Crosby, was a new one for my wife and me. It’s not in the hymnal (the funeral was at a Presbyterian church), and never has been in any Presbyterian hymnal I’m familiar with; a sheet with it was provided with the bulletin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUELQCnQlM
Hymns were:
O Praise Ye the Lord - Laudate Dominum
How sweet the name of Jesus sounds- St Peter
Will your anchor hold? -will your anchor..
Jerusalem
National Anthem
Choir- A Simple Blessing - unknown
The inclusion of so much Remembrance/National stuff seems a bit odd - is this usual on your Feast Sunday?
It was in the Presbyterian hymnal of my youth, evidently, but I can't say I ever remember singing it.
No greater obstacle to a church musician than The Way We Do Things...
Thanks!
No greater obstacle to either than an angry elder spluttering "that's Catholic!"
Haha, I was looking at the 1990 Trinity Hymnal: Revised, since I grew up PCA. (The full story of how I got from there to the Episcopal Church, with Lutheran and Reformed stops along the way, would perhaps be another story for another thread in another forum
Maybe, but @Puzzler says that's how they always do Feast Day. Does Armed Forces Day usually fall on or about the Feast of St Peter & St Paul, I wonder?
Would love to hear your story sometime!
Introit: Jesus shall reign
Gradual: Firmly I believe and truly
Offertory: Immortal love
Communion: God be in my head
Anthem: Amazing grace (Rutter - I switched to piano for that).
Recessional: And can it be
I don’t get to choose the hymns, nor do I get to choose the speed - constant battle between my slower preferences and the music director’s super-fast preferences.
Closing music was some march I found in a Victorian book of voluntaries. Before the service I might’ve treated them to an arrangement of “Turn loose the mermaids” by the Scandi metal group Nightwish. 😇
I was on piano again at the evening service, which is more modern. We had Build My Life, Build Your Kingdom Here, You’re Beautiful and another one I’ve completely forgotten already.