FWIW, I think I did make a mistake posting while I was doing other things. Had I been focused, I might have linked to versions more in the context of liturgy. Try this, this and this.
Marty Haugen has written some great pieces; but, on the other hand, he is not everyone's cup of tea/coffee. I enjoy many of his pieces. Holden Evening Prayer is one of my favorites. But there are other things I really do not like.
But, there are many other contemporary song writers that should be considered. I cannot begin to name them all. Every year over 5,000 new hymns are published--why should we be limited to a hymnal that has just 500 old stand-byes?
I'd forgotten who Marty Haughen was. The only other 'Marty' I'm aware of was the British comedian Marty Feldman.
How can we take any composer seriously, ecclesiastical or otherwise, with a name like 'Marty'?
Are there no standards these days? 😉
It's on a level with people wearing Hawaiian shirts and shorts to church. 😉
I'd happily forgotten all about Marty Haughen and the dreck I was subjected to when Shipmates were saying how wonderful he was.
This isn't an issue of individual taste it is one of crimes against propriety.
I'll get me coat ...
(Lest people take my posts on this subject too seriously or accuse me of Pond Wars I'd put Rutter in a similar category. I'd also concede, even although I've not listened to the material on the latest links @Nick Tamen has provided, I have no doubt he's composed music suitable for the context in which he operates.)
Just listened to the openings of each of the tracks @Nick Tamen provided. As much as I could stand before hitting the stop button to avoid a saccharine overdose.
I see no reason to revise my opinion but only an intensified desire to see Haughen's music consigned to the uttermost pit of 'infernal diss' (apologies to Norfolk) and to reprimand our otherwise good friend @ChastMastr for reviving this thread and reminding me of some slushy pap I'd prefer to have forgotten.
Thanks ChastMastr for ruining my day before it's even begun ...
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No, seriously, all is forgiven. The Haughen stuff is so bland that I'll have forgotten it before my second cup of tea.
How could I forget Sid and Marty Krofft when I wasn't even aware of them until you've unforgivably brought them to my attention?
That's a third cup of tea for me and an eternity in outer darkness for you for destroying my blissful ignorance of their very existence?
First Hawaiian shirts. Now this.
😉
Oh, I brought them to the attention—yes, it was me!—to a Lovecraft role-player who would answer people’s questions in the persona of H.P. Lovecraft. I asked him what he (in character) thought of Sigmund the Sea Monster, and this is what he said…
Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse, they do.
Hey, if you were a kid growing up in the 1970s, Mego (which Marty Abrams was in charge of) action figures and (especially for me) Micronauts were awesome! (Perhaps a “favorite toys” thread in Heaven would be worth starting…)
I see no reason to revise my opinion but only an intensified desire to see Haughen's music consigned to the uttermost pit of 'infernal diss' (apologies to Norfolk) and to reprimand our otherwise good friend @ChastMastr for reviving this thread and reminding me of some slushy pap I'd prefer to have forgotten.
Given that you’re unlikely to encounter Haugen in the Orthodox Church, @Gamma Gamaliel, I don’t see how you have any skin in the game. But rest assured that your pronouncements of Good and Bad and Worthy and Unworthy music are nevertheless being accorded the consideration they warrant.
FWIW, I think I did make a mistake posting while I was doing other things. Had I been focused, I might have linked to versions more in the context of liturgy. Try this, this and this.
And if it’s still not your thing, that’s okay.
Thank you for those. I've not met them before. I'm not sure they are quite my thing.
I suspect, though, I'm about to shock at least some shipmates by saying that I don't find them anything like as bad as any of the hymns that I've encountered by Fred Kaan.
Now, if you want to call a composer to hell, try David Haas. Haas is an American author and composer of contemporary Catholic liturgical music. In 2020, dozens of women accused him of sexual misconduct spanning several decades, and he issued a public apology for harmful behavior. As a consequence leaders in diverse Church traditions have requested local communities to remove hymns composed by Haas from use. His hymns have been removed from subscription services and from recent editions of major hymnal collections (from Wikipedia).
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I’m suddenly trying to imagine a congregation singing Daniel Amos songs, especially the weirder ones, in unison. 🤣
(Awesome Christian music group. I’m not sure how I would describe them. New wave? Punk? A bunch of different styles?)
And if it’s still not your thing, that’s okay.
But, there are many other contemporary song writers that should be considered. I cannot begin to name them all. Every year over 5,000 new hymns are published--why should we be limited to a hymnal that has just 500 old stand-byes?
I'd forgotten who Marty Haughen was. The only other 'Marty' I'm aware of was the British comedian Marty Feldman.
How can we take any composer seriously, ecclesiastical or otherwise, with a name like 'Marty'?
Are there no standards these days? 😉
It's on a level with people wearing Hawaiian shirts and shorts to church. 😉
I'd happily forgotten all about Marty Haughen and the dreck I was subjected to when Shipmates were saying how wonderful he was.
This isn't an issue of individual taste it is one of crimes against propriety.
I'll get me coat ...
(Lest people take my posts on this subject too seriously or accuse me of Pond Wars I'd put Rutter in a similar category. I'd also concede, even although I've not listened to the material on the latest links @Nick Tamen has provided, I have no doubt he's composed music suitable for the context in which he operates.)
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Don’t forget the Marty from the awesome Sid and Marty Krofft! ❤️
I also have dim, uninteresting memories of The Adventures of Spin and Marty reruns from the Mickey Mouse Club.
I see no reason to revise my opinion but only an intensified desire to see Haughen's music consigned to the uttermost pit of 'infernal diss' (apologies to Norfolk) and to reprimand our otherwise good friend @ChastMastr for reviving this thread and reminding me of some slushy pap I'd prefer to have forgotten.
Thanks ChastMastr for ruining my day before it's even begun ...
😉
No, seriously, all is forgiven. The Haughen stuff is so bland that I'll have forgotten it before my second cup of tea.
How could I forget Sid and Marty Krofft when I wasn't even aware of them until you've unforgivably brought them to my attention?
That's a third cup of tea for me and an eternity in outer darkness for you for destroying my blissful ignorance of their very existence?
First Hawaiian shirts. Now this.
😉
Then Jolly Jape also deserves to be cast into outer darkness.
Oh, I brought them to the attention—yes, it was me!—to a Lovecraft role-player who would answer people’s questions in the persona of H.P. Lovecraft. I asked him what he (in character) thought of Sigmund the Sea Monster, and this is what he said…
https://youtu.be/SRdP2OzIh_s?si=svLP2UNvQfpeyGP6
He’s a quite nice fellow, and has retired “Ask Lovecraft” as he’s very busy with other stuff these days.
https://www.martyabrams.com/
Hey, if you were a kid growing up in the 1970s, Mego (which Marty Abrams was in charge of) action figures and (especially for me) Micronauts were awesome! (Perhaps a “favorite toys” thread in Heaven would be worth starting…)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjIjGcb8knmJ2CE6ket7vfJXzz4luA_Ut&si=r8Dggfx34c0zXbYG
I suspect, though, I'm about to shock at least some shipmates by saying that I don't find them anything like as bad as any of the hymns that I've encountered by Fred Kaan.
Of course, overplay/overuse any composer, and you'll get sick of them!
Now, if you want to call a composer to hell, try David Haas. Haas is an American author and composer of contemporary Catholic liturgical music. In 2020, dozens of women accused him of sexual misconduct spanning several decades, and he issued a public apology for harmful behavior. As a consequence leaders in diverse Church traditions have requested local communities to remove hymns composed by Haas from use. His hymns have been removed from subscription services and from recent editions of major hymnal collections (from Wikipedia).
Forgive me, for I have sinned (packs bag, collects coat)