Re the verbal attack on the Pope. There are over 79 million Catholics in the USA and apparently thosr who voted voted 55% for Trump in 2024. Crude arithmetic suggests that was maybe about 8 to 10 million votes for Trump out of the 80 million he got. (I’m guessing a lot of that related to Roe v Wade.)
He won’t be standing in 2028, but I guess his attack has done some further damage to the GOP mid term prospects.
I note also that J D Vance is Catholic. I haven’t seen any comments from him re Trump’s anti-Catholic outburst. Has there been anything?
JD Vance made some comment about how the Pope should stick to moral issues. Which I am fairly sure is what the Pope had been doing
Vance isnt the first politician who would prefer it if religious leaders concentrated on matters of personal ethics and sterred clear of the public sphere.
JD Vance made some comment about how the Pope should stick to moral issues. Which I am fairly sure is what the Pope had been doing
Vance isnt the first politician who would prefer it if religious leaders concentrated on matters of personal ethics and sterred clear of the public sphere.
Heck, I've heard arguments that the "Christian" "Right"'s obsession with policing sex became predominant precisely to avoid attention to the incongruity of their support for slavery and, later, segregation.
JD Vance made some comment about how the Pope should stick to moral issues. Which I am fairly sure is what the Pope had been doing
Vance isnt the first politician who would prefer it if religious leaders concentrated on matters of personal ethics and sterred clear of the public sphere.
Ah but Hegseth is a political leader! (I know he shouldn’t be). Freedom of speech allows him to say anything.
Ah but the Pope is not American. Oh, bugger, so he is! But he’s in an international office and that obviously makes a difference. Not really American any more. Too global.
Re the verbal attack on the Pope. There are over 79 million Catholics in the USA and apparently thosr who voted voted 55% for Trump in 2024. Crude arithmetic suggests that was maybe about 8 to 10 million votes for Trump out of the 80 million he got. (I’m guessing a lot of that related to Roe v Wade.)
He won’t be standing in 2028, but I guess his attack has done some further damage to the GOP mid term prospects.
I think if you're the kind of Catholic who voted Republican to overturn Roe v Wade, there's a good chance you're not gonna ever gonna vote Democrat, regardless of what Trump is saying about the Pope.
JD Vance made some comment about how the Pope should stick to moral issues. Which I am fairly sure is what the Pope had been doing
Vance isnt the first politician who would prefer it if religious leaders concentrated on matters of personal ethics and sterred clear of the public sphere.
Henry II?
In the 1980s, the centre-left Canadian PM Trudeau introduced an economic austerity program, and after being criticized by the Catholic bishops, replied "They should stick to handing out Communion." I don't think that stayed in the news for more than a few days.
I think if you're the kind of Catholic who voted Republican to overturn Roe v Wade, there's a good chance you're never gonna vote Democratic, regardless of what Trump is saying about the Pope.
Bishop Mariann Budde was on CNN re Trump and the Pope. Also J D Vance said he thought the Pope should be careful in his theology(!). Yes really.
Raphael Warnock was on as well, talking about how fascists urge religious leaders to “stay in their lanes”.
Not sure I can get a link to it yet, nor do I want to oversimplify by summary but it was a very good segment.
(Bishop Budde got into hot water because of her sermon at Washington Cathedral just before Trump's second inauguration. She talked about mercy. Got flak from Trump and the loyalists, amounting to “inappropriate on the day, stay in your lane” but a lot of support from Christians across the denominations and the world. I must say I really rate her.)
Oh I’m sure some of that 55% will stay loyal to Trump regardless. That’s in the nature of MAGAism.
But when the numbers come in I wouldn’t be surprised to see Catholic support significantly down in the mid-terms.
The real problem for Trump is he gets trapped in the extremism of his own rhetoric. Plus he always doubles down. There was quite an easy way of producing a respectful response but his ego always gets in the way of it.
Oh I’m sure some of that 55% will stay loyal to Trump regardless. That’s in the nature of MAGAism.
But when the numbers come in I wouldn’t be surprised to see Catholic support significantly down in the mid-terms.
The real problem for Trump is he gets trapped in the extremism of his own rhetoric. Plus he always doubles down. There was quite an easy way of producing a respectful response but his ego always gets in the way of it.
Trump seems to be perpetually in the grip of the shower arguments in his own head.
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True. All the ones I’ve read make the same point. I think Jim Wallis’s quote is original, making the same point in a different way.
He won’t be standing in 2028, but I guess his attack has done some further damage to the GOP mid term prospects.
I note also that J D Vance is Catholic. I haven’t seen any comments from him re Trump’s anti-Catholic outburst. Has there been anything?
Vance isnt the first politician who would prefer it if religious leaders concentrated on matters of personal ethics and sterred clear of the public sphere.
Heck, I've heard arguments that the "Christian" "Right"'s obsession with policing sex became predominant precisely to avoid attention to the incongruity of their support for slavery and, later, segregation.
Henry II?
Ah but the Pope is not American. Oh, bugger, so he is! But he’s in an international office and that obviously makes a difference. Not really American any more. Too global.
I think if you're the kind of Catholic who voted Republican to overturn Roe v Wade, there's a good chance you're not gonna ever gonna vote Democrat, regardless of what Trump is saying about the Pope.
In the 1980s, the centre-left Canadian PM Trudeau introduced an economic austerity program, and after being criticized by the Catholic bishops, replied "They should stick to handing out Communion." I don't think that stayed in the news for more than a few days.
Raphael Warnock was on as well, talking about how fascists urge religious leaders to “stay in their lanes”.
Not sure I can get a link to it yet, nor do I want to oversimplify by summary but it was a very good segment.
(Bishop Budde got into hot water because of her sermon at Washington Cathedral just before Trump's second inauguration. She talked about mercy. Got flak from Trump and the loyalists, amounting to “inappropriate on the day, stay in your lane” but a lot of support from Christians across the denominations and the world. I must say I really rate her.)
Oh I’m sure some of that 55% will stay loyal to Trump regardless. That’s in the nature of MAGAism.
But when the numbers come in I wouldn’t be surprised to see Catholic support significantly down in the mid-terms.
The real problem for Trump is he gets trapped in the extremism of his own rhetoric. Plus he always doubles down. There was quite an easy way of producing a respectful response but his ego always gets in the way of it.
Trump seems to be perpetually in the grip of the shower arguments in his own head.
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