Sorry. What is it that you want us to read in Styx?
Recent plankings.
And is there a specific post or posts we're supposed to notice? The discussion on Recent Plankings seems to be about racism and far-right politics and whether they should be platformed. Are you saying someone is platforming those views on this thread?
Sorry. What is it that you want us to read in Styx?
Recent plankings.
And is there a specific post or posts we're supposed to notice? The discussion on Recent Plankings seems to be about racism and far-right politics and whether they should be platformed. Are you saying someone is platforming those views on this thread?
The question is really what, if any, modern political affilations are inherently so prejudiced - people professing those affiliations should not be given access to the site.
Currently, that would only apply to self-professed nazis. Some have argued certain political affiliations are no morally different, inherently a c1 violation - and if we we permit this we run into a potential Nazi bar problem.
I am seeking to understand what the ship community thinks about this.
(ETA @Heavenlyannie for example, if someone joins and then says they are member of the KKK is that inherently so racist, that waiting for them to post a racist statement is useful or necessary ? And does this apply to any larger political parties or movements ?)
Sorry. What is it that you want us to read in Styx?
Recent plankings.
And is there a specific post or posts we're supposed to notice? The discussion on Recent Plankings seems to be about racism and far-right politics and whether they should be platformed. Are you saying someone is platforming those views on this thread?
It’s an invitation, made in all politics-related and national conversation threads, to weigh in on the discussion that has developed in that thread.
Sorry. What is it that you want us to read in Styx?
Recent plankings.
And is there a specific post or posts we're supposed to notice? The discussion on Recent Plankings seems to be about racism and far-right politics and whether they should be platformed. Are you saying someone is platforming those views on this thread?
It’s an invitation, made in all politics-related and national conversation threads, to weigh in on the discussion that has developed in that thread.
Just returned home from an across state trip for Easter. This meant crossing sections of the state twice that have voted heavily for Trump. I know where the Trump signs would typically be up. This time I saw only one Trump sign and that was north of Seattle. One place that usually had Trump flags and various hard right signs had them all taken down. One other farm that had a big Trump sign nailed to its barn still had the sign, but it had faded quite a bit. Definitely got the impression his star is diminishing across the state. Could be because they realize he is now a lame duck. Just did not see any current GOP candidate signs anywhere--correction, there was a GOP Sheriff sign near Othello.
Donny is now threatening that once the war is over to charge companies to go through the Strait of Hormuz. He would have to put US military in the strait to make this happen
Just returned home from an across state trip for Easter. This meant crossing sections of the state twice that have voted heavily for Trump. I know where the Trump signs would typically be up. This time I saw only one Trump sign and that was north of Seattle. One place that usually had Trump flags and various hard right signs had them all taken down. One other farm that had a big Trump sign nailed to its barn still had the sign, but it had faded quite a bit. Definitely got the impression his star is diminishing across the state. Could be because they realize he is now a lame duck. Just did not see any current GOP candidate signs anywhere--correction, there was a GOP Sheriff sign near Othello.
I’m pleased to hear that too.
Maybe it has dawned on Trump supporters that demonstrating support for Trump is at odds with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Just returned home from an across state trip for Easter. This meant crossing sections of the state twice that have voted heavily for Trump. I know where the Trump signs would typically be up. This time I saw only one Trump sign and that was north of Seattle. One place that usually had Trump flags and various hard right signs had them all taken down. One other farm that had a big Trump sign nailed to its barn still had the sign, but it had faded quite a bit. Definitely got the impression his star is diminishing across the state. Could be because they realize he is now a lame duck. Just did not see any current GOP candidate signs anywhere--correction, there was a GOP Sheriff sign near Othello.
Perhaps the Easter Bunny "accidentally" removed them on their rounds.
Meanwhile, the Orange Ogre continues to rant and threaten - this is from 'Truth Social', quoted by today's UK Guardian:
A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS?
We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!
Will he? Won't he? Dare he?
What is this 'Complete and Total Regime Change' of which he speaks?
Maybe those taking down their Trump signs are thinking about this, "More than one billion dollars a day. That’s what Trump’s war with Iran costs." This while he keeps defunding social programs.
Meanwhile, the Orange Ogre continues to rant and threaten - this is from 'Truth Social', quoted by today's UK Guardian:
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We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!
Will he? Won't he? Dare he?
What is this 'Complete and Total Regime Change' of which he speaks?
If one goes back 47 years we find the election of Margaret Thatcher who dismantled most of Britain’s industry and stripped many jobs our national assets. The economy did very nicely but the working classes did not, principally because there was no work for many of them.
Over the Pond Reagan was elected a little later with similar policies leading to the “Greed is Good” mantra.
... A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. ...
Which whole civilisation though, Iran's or the USA's, the death of any claim to represent freedom, civilised values or the ideals of the Founding Father's? If he does go ahead with this, will this prove to be like one of those oracles from the ancient world.
... A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. ...
Which whole civilisation though, Iran's or the USA's, the death of any claim to represent freedom, civilised values or the ideals of the Founding Father's? If he does go ahead with this, will this prove to be like one of those oracles from the ancient world.
There are reports here in the UK that even some of the MAGA stalwarts are beginning to desert their mad idol. From the Guardian:
Former Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson called the strategy “vile on every level” on Monday’s episode of his online show, saying that “not even a month and a half into the conflict … we’re going to use our military to kill the civilians of this country”.
Marjorie Taylor Greene – previously one of Trump’s most reliable allies on Capitol Hill – has joined Democrats in calling for his removal under the 25th amendment. Conspiracy theorist and rightwing broadcaster Alex Jones also urged Trump’s ouster. “You can have a good leader, and they just go crazy,” he said on social media. “That’s the madness of a king.”
Meanwhile Candace Owens, once a darling of the Maga movement, reiterated her condemnation of the bombing campaign, calling Trump “a genocidal lunatic” and urging Congress and the military to intervene.
This will not end well, for the Iranians, or for the US.
Amen to that - but (and it's a big but) might his threatened destruction of Iran be enough for Democrats and Republicans alike to rise up, and topple him?
Amen to that - but (and it's a big but) might his threatened destruction of Iran be enough for Democrats and Republicans alike to rise up, and topple him?
My fear is that it might take an actual order to deploy nukes to shake Republicans into action. I'm hoping that US military personnel would refuse such an order but that's not a hope I'd like to have to rely on.
Amen to that - but (and it's a big but) might his threatened destruction of Iran be enough for Democrats and Republicans alike to rise up, and topple him?
My fear is that it might take an actual order to deploy nukes to shake Republicans into action. I'm hoping that US military personnel would refuse such an order but that's not a hope I'd like to have to rely on.
Would an order - by Trump - to use nuclear weapons actually be illegal, IYSWIM?
As I understand it the UCMJ does require compliance with international law, and indiscriminate attacks on civilians would certainly breach international law. There is a big gap between what is technically illegal and what would actually get US personnel prosecuted, and it remains to be seen what would happen to officers or enlisted who did refuse the order.
Would an order - by Trump - to use nuclear weapons actually be illegal, IYSWIM?
As I understand it the UCMJ does require compliance with international law, and indiscriminate attacks on civilians would certainly breach international law. There is a big gap between what is technically illegal and what would actually get US personnel prosecuted, and it remains to be seen what would happen to officers or enlisted who did refuse the order.
Yes, of course.
Not that Trump gives a fig for law, international or otherwise.
Follow your oath to the Constitution and to the law. Follow, trust your training. Ensure that there's discrete analysis done on every single power plant that's on a targeting list, on every single bridge to ensure that, not only it's a lawful military objective, but that proportionality, that the harm to civilians, right, is not excessive compared to the direct and concrete military advantage to be gained.
And that means that most of these indeed will not pass that test. And that's what our military professionals are trained on. And I really hope they go back to that training and that they're taking these threats of war crimes given by the commander in chief and filtering them through their own training and their own conscience and their own legal obligation to follow the law of war.
Because these are war crimes that they don't follow those steps. And those war crimes do not have a statute of limitations. And many of our -- and it has universal jurisdiction. And so many of our allies could -- if you want to travel to Europe, ensure you don't get engaged in a war crime.
All I have to say, if Donald does not pull a TACO and does bomb them back to the stone age--his words, not mine. We will need to be able to fly in tons of relief supplies right away.
As I write this, my wife is writing to her congressman and to Schumer asking them to stand against a president who has lost the ability to lead, is incapable of rational decision-making, and telling them to think about the fact that while war crimes have become acceptable to the present administration, the avowed intention of committing further war war crimes surely takes the USA where it has never been before.
Trump was facing intense pressure on every front. Retired senior military leaders were publicly reminding active‑duty personnel that their loyalty was to the Constitution and the law, and many inside the military were reportedly telling him the same thing. Republican leaders were also beginning to question his intentions. His proposed increase in military spending had no realistic path through the Senate, and congressional leaders were warning that if he pushed ahead, they might have no choice but to support a 25th Amendment process if Vice President Vance and the Cabinet declared him unfit. In the end, he had no real option but to back dow
If you are referring to me, I know he has some mental health issues and physical issues. His cognitive acuity seems to be slipping. Many people say he is severely narcissistic, but even narcissists can realize that continuing a behavior will cause them to lose control of the situation. Even then they will frame the reversal as their idea. Trump knows he cannot survive a 25th amendment proceeding. He dreads the idea of being imprisoned
Trump is likely responding to military and political pushback. He is facing the loss of elite support. He sees people questioning his competence. He knows he would likely be blamed for the failure of the war.
I’m inclined to think that it’s another TACO. The rhetoric of destroying the civilisation is genocide. I suspect that the war crime analysis and the duty of military personnel re illegal orders may indeed have had something to say.
Mind you, it’s not over. I don’t think the Iranian military will let go their hold on the Strait, regardless of what the Iranian foreign minister may have said.
Rumours that Trump has “had it” have always been just rumours. But maybe …..? The level of political, military leadership and Commander in Chief incompetence demonstrated by Trump and Hegseth has been breathtaking and is on public display. Hard to see a way back from that
I'm concerned by the fact that he has already demonstrated many times over a level of self-centeredness, petulance, and anger that make me glad there are others between him and the actual nuclear football. It's not the narcissism that worries me here; it's the increasing signs of dementia. Dementia removes the good judgement that tells most of us when to back down. In a fit of anger, he could well decide to burn everything down.
Meanwhile, there are demonstrations in the streets in Iran, celebrating victory.
The "Total and complete victory. 100 percent. No question about it," victory? Oh no, that was someone else!
My Iranian friend at work told me yesterday that the computing department at his former university it Tehran had been demolished by bombing (thankfully in the middle of the night, he told me) and that this was right next to the Civil Eng dept where he worked, which had been badly damaged. He thought that neither department was likely to be rebuilt while sanctions continued. All those professionals with an academic perspective, which tends to be international - now unemployed. I don't see how this furthers regime change and the support of pressure for more progressive governance. I guess that's a naive comment.
Maybe US lawmakers can now use the next two weeks to frame a 25th amendment removal proceeding.
I doubt anybody is inclined to thank Trump for steering the entire planet to fifty minutes before a cascading global nuclear conflict over something as understandable as a sovereign nation under an unprovoked attack from his armed forces refusing to comply with his wishes.
Come on America. Admit this was a big mistake and use your constitution for that which it was designed.
Well, as many have said, the ceasefire is good news - but the Mad Monster of Mar-a-Lago is still POTUS. Who's to say he won't have another tantrum in a week or two, if he doesn't get what he wants?
Or if something very nasty emerges from the Epstein files...
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And is there a specific post or posts we're supposed to notice? The discussion on Recent Plankings seems to be about racism and far-right politics and whether they should be platformed. Are you saying someone is platforming those views on this thread?
Thanks.
I’m pleased to hear that too.
Maybe it has dawned on Trump supporters that demonstrating support for Trump is at odds with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I would like to think so.
Perhaps the Easter Bunny "accidentally" removed them on their rounds.
A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS?
We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!
Will he? Won't he? Dare he?
What is this 'Complete and Total Regime Change' of which he speaks?
If one goes back 47 years we find the election of Margaret Thatcher who dismantled most of Britain’s industry and stripped many jobs our national assets. The economy did very nicely but the working classes did not, principally because there was no work for many of them.
Over the Pond Reagan was elected a little later with similar policies leading to the “Greed is Good” mantra.
I thought exactly the same.
You may well be right, however, in prophesying the upcoming end of American civilisation.
If the attack goes ahead, he may regret telegraphing what the air force will do.
It won’t look good. Particularly since there is a strong opinion anyway that the potential targets will make the attack a war crime.
Former Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson called the strategy “vile on every level” on Monday’s episode of his online show, saying that “not even a month and a half into the conflict … we’re going to use our military to kill the civilians of this country”.
Marjorie Taylor Greene – previously one of Trump’s most reliable allies on Capitol Hill – has joined Democrats in calling for his removal under the 25th amendment. Conspiracy theorist and rightwing broadcaster Alex Jones also urged Trump’s ouster. “You can have a good leader, and they just go crazy,” he said on social media. “That’s the madness of a king.”
Meanwhile Candace Owens, once a darling of the Maga movement, reiterated her condemnation of the bombing campaign, calling Trump “a genocidal lunatic” and urging Congress and the military to intervene.
This will not end well, for the Iranians, or for the US.
My fear is that it might take an actual order to deploy nukes to shake Republicans into action. I'm hoping that US military personnel would refuse such an order but that's not a hope I'd like to have to rely on.
Yes - me, too.
As I understand it the UCMJ does require compliance with international law, and indiscriminate attacks on civilians would certainly breach international law. There is a big gap between what is technically illegal and what would actually get US personnel prosecuted, and it remains to be seen what would happen to officers or enlisted who did refuse the order.
Yes, of course.
Not that Trump gives a fig for law, international or otherwise.
All I have to say, if Donald does not pull a TACO and does bomb them back to the stone age--his words, not mine. We will need to be able to fly in tons of relief supplies right away.
Hoping we get a TACO.
The Guardian has it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/07/iran-war-live-updates-trump-hormuz-threats-deadline-strikes-middle-east-conflict?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with:block-69d587998f0815f2a879fb6d#block-69d587998f0815f2a879fb6d
If you are referring to me, I know he has some mental health issues and physical issues. His cognitive acuity seems to be slipping. Many people say he is severely narcissistic, but even narcissists can realize that continuing a behavior will cause them to lose control of the situation. Even then they will frame the reversal as their idea. Trump knows he cannot survive a 25th amendment proceeding. He dreads the idea of being imprisoned
Trump is likely responding to military and political pushback. He is facing the loss of elite support. He sees people questioning his competence. He knows he would likely be blamed for the failure of the war.
Mind you, it’s not over. I don’t think the Iranian military will let go their hold on the Strait, regardless of what the Iranian foreign minister may have said.
Rumours that Trump has “had it” have always been just rumours. But maybe …..? The level of political, military leadership and Commander in Chief incompetence demonstrated by Trump and Hegseth has been breathtaking and is on public display. Hard to see a way back from that
The "Total and complete victory. 100 percent. No question about it," victory? Oh no, that was someone else!
My Iranian friend at work told me yesterday that the computing department at his former university it Tehran had been demolished by bombing (thankfully in the middle of the night, he told me) and that this was right next to the Civil Eng dept where he worked, which had been badly damaged. He thought that neither department was likely to be rebuilt while sanctions continued. All those professionals with an academic perspective, which tends to be international - now unemployed. I don't see how this furthers regime change and the support of pressure for more progressive governance. I guess that's a naive comment.
I doubt anybody is inclined to thank Trump for steering the entire planet to fifty minutes before a cascading global nuclear conflict over something as understandable as a sovereign nation under an unprovoked attack from his armed forces refusing to comply with his wishes.
Come on America. Admit this was a big mistake and use your constitution for that which it was designed.
AFF
You can't mean the Chosen One, the Lord's annointed, surely?
Or if something very nasty emerges from the Epstein files...