General Good-byes And RIPs

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  • Gill H wrote: »
    Both ‘Believer’ songs written by Neil Diamond, fact fans.

    I actually used to be a believer in that so-called fact myself. But Daydream Believer was written by some guy from The Kingston Trio.

    And, yeah, before I formally researched the authorship, I thought it sounded like a Neil Diamond tune. But that coulda been because I was biased by my pre-existing belief that he was the writer.

    (I think Diamond's authorship of I'm A Believer somehow got urban-legended into his having written all the songs used on the show, and that's the version I heard.)
  • stetson wrote: »
    Gill H wrote: »
    Both ‘Believer’ songs written by Neil Diamond, fact fans.

    I actually used to be a believer in that so-called fact myself. But Daydream Believer was written by some guy from The Kingston Trio.
    John Stewart.

  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Jerry Lee Lewis has died.
  • I wonder how many headlines will include some form of “Goodness gracious, great balls of fire.”

  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I wonder how many headlines will include some form of “Goodness gracious, great balls of fire.”

    Most of them. I had mentally filed Lewis in the "already dead" category for some reason.
  • I had too, actually.
  • Elton John tweeted "Without Jerry Lee Lewis, I wouldn't be who I am today." Never thought about it, really, but I guess I can see the stylstic genealogy.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    I'd see Iggy Pop more as a musical descendant of Jerry Lee Lewis, even though he wasn't a pianist. Granted, this could be partly because when Lewis played my hometown in the late 80s, he performed Wild Child, which had recently been a hit for Iggy. Lewis introduced the number by saying he liked Iggy's version.

    And the first time I ever heard The Cramps' What's Inside A Girl, I assumed it was intended as a Jerry Lee Lewis tribute. Though, again, not a piano-heavy song.
  • Correction...
    stetson wrote: »
    I'd see Iggy Pop more as a musical descendant of Jerry Lee Lewis, even though he isn't a pianist.

    "isn't", because Iggy Pop is still alive, and apparently still working.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Crœsos wrote: »
    ... I had mentally filed Lewis in the "already dead" category for some reason.
    Same here.
  • EnochEnoch Shipmate
    Lewis caused a lot of controversy, and had a tour here (UK) cancelled when he turned up with a wife who was only 13. He claimed she was 15, which would still have been illegal and below the age of consent.

    Apparently under the law of where they'd got married, that would have been lawful, if it hadn't been for the embarrassing fact that the wedding took place before his divorce from his preceding wife had fully taken effect.

  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 2022
    Enoch wrote: »
    Lewis caused a lot of controversy, and had a tour here (UK) cancelled when he turned up with a wife who was only 13. He claimed she was 15, which would still have been illegal and below the age of consent.

    Apparently under the law of where they'd got married, that would have been lawful, if it hadn't been for the embarrassing fact that the wedding took place before his divorce from his preceding wife had fully taken effect.

    YouTube still has an interview of Jerry and Myra arriving back in the US after their unceremonious departure from the UK.

    Myra wrote two autobiographical books, one of which was made into the 1980s Jerry Lee biopic with Dennis Quaid. The other one was published just a few years ago. While the woman has had an interesting life, I'm curious how you'd manage to wring two separate books out of it.

    I wonder if the funeral will be officiated by his cousin Jimmy Swaggart, who I seem to recall was the one who rescued Jerry Lee from the pills back in the 1980s. (Can you imagine Lewis publically having a Johnny Cash-style born-again experience?)
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Ian Jack has died. Those who read the Guardian and the LRB will miss him greatly.
  • Enoch wrote: »
    Lewis caused a lot of controversy, and had a tour here (UK) cancelled when he turned up with a wife who was only 13. He claimed she was 15, which would still have been illegal and below the age of consent.

    Apparently under the law of where they'd got married, that would have been lawful, if it hadn't been for the embarrassing fact that the wedding took place before his divorce from his preceding wife had fully taken effect.

    It is still the case that some states have a lower age for marriage of 12.
  • Enoch wrote: »
    Lewis caused a lot of controversy, and had a tour here (UK) cancelled when he turned up with a wife who was only 13. He claimed she was 15, which would still have been illegal and below the age of consent.

    Apparently under the law of where they'd got married, that would have been lawful, if it hadn't been for the embarrassing fact that the wedding took place before his divorce from his preceding wife had fully taken effect.

    It is still the case that some states have a lower age for marriage of 12.
    Sort of. No state actually has a minimum of 12. In most states, the minimum age (with parental/guardian consent, court approval or emancipation) is 17 or 16. In two states it’s 15.

    There are a handful of states (California is one) that don’t have minimum age, but do require parental/guardian consent, court approval or both for anyone under 18. It’s possible that a 12-year-old could get consent/approval to marry in one of those states, but I don’t know whether or how often it actually happens.

  • DardaDarda Shipmate
    Actor Leslie Phillips dies aged 98
    Ding Dong!
  • Only reminiscing about him with Mr RoS a couple of days ago, and quoting "Left hand down a bit" at each other.
    Sad , but 98 is a decent innings.
  • Graham Blokey, the actor / GP who played Robert Snell in The Archers has died.
  • Bill Treacher, Arthur Fowler in Eastenders has died, aged 92.
  • Bill Treacher, Arthur Fowler in Eastenders has died, aged 92.
    Pauline hitting him on the head with a frying pan clearly had no long term ill effects.

  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Darda wrote: »
    Actor Leslie Phillips dies aged 98
    Ding Dong!

    I'm fairly sure he'd have been on my "been dead for years" pile.
  • Piglet wrote: »
    Darda wrote: »
    Actor Leslie Phillips dies aged 98
    Ding Dong!

    I'm fairly sure he'd have been on my "been dead for years" pile.

    Funnily enough, I knew he was still about, but I thought Bill Treacher had popped off years ago.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    That's a good point. Maybe I was thinking of when they killed off his character, which must have been ages ago - I haven't watched East Enders for about 20 years.
  • I thought Leslie Phillips was dead too.
  • He was still working up to about 11 years ago - he was the voice of The Sorting Hat in one of the Harry Potter films.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Goodness - if I ever knew that, I'd forgotten, but it makes sense.
  • I still think of him in The Navy Lark...and even as the Vicar in the first series (1963) of Our Man At St Mark's.

  • Surprised it hasn't been posted here but perhaps that's down to Ship demographics - Kevin Conroy has died at the age of 66. Conroy was a very famous voice actor best known as the voice of Batman, starting with Batman: The Animated Series in the early 90s and continuing with the majority of DC animated features, through to the Arkham video games. He was very much *the* voice of Batman for a generation, and found a whole new audience via the Arkham games. It feels very wrong to now have a world with the Joker (Mark Hamill has played the Joker opposite Conroy from the start - and played him to perfection) but without Batman.
  • Kyzyl wrote: »
    RIP Robbie Coltrane.

    Catching up after some (self-imposed) shore leave....

    Those who don't follow Canadian cinema will probably have missed Robbie Coltrane in Perfectly Normal (1990) in which he played Alonzo Turner, a chef on the lam. It's a hilarious film which combines restaurants, crossdressing, opera, hockey, and beer. The which is to say that it's very Canadian. I urge you to seek it out.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    I was shocked to read about Marcus Sedgwick. I saw him speak about twenty years ago and he seemed so young then.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    According to the article, he was only 54. Twenty years ago he was very young. :cry:
  • George W. Bush advisor/speechwriter and Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson has died. He's the one who coined the phrase "the soft bigotry of low expectations" in the context of justifying cuts to social programs and helped formulate the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war.
  • SarasaSarasa All Saints Host
    Wilko Johnson of Dr. Feelgood fame has died. I watched Oil City Confidential a few weeks ago, and found it fascinating.
  • RIP Borje Salming, a trailblazer in the NHL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Börje_Salming
  • MaryLouiseMaryLouise Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    edited November 2022
    Just saw that the German writer, cultural critic and translator Hans Magnus Enzensberger has died at 93, somebody who had considerable influence on many European thinkers and and writers from Günter Grass to WG Sebald.

    "Culture is a little like dropping an Alka-Seltzer into a glass -- you don't see it, but somehow it does something."
  • BBC says Irene Cara has died.
  • I thought she was gonna live forever. :disappointed:
  • Just heard that Doddie Weir has died :cry: Announced just before kickoff in the England v South Africa match.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I thought she was gonna live forever. :disappointed:
    Maybe not but she learn how to fly

  • Telford wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I thought she was gonna live forever. :disappointed:
    Maybe not but she learn how to fly
    High.

    I’ll remember her name.
  • Just heard that Doddie Weir has died :cry: Announced just before kickoff in the England v South Africa match.
    So sad. He lived in a parish I served, and was a force of nature and a force for good, even then, before his MND. What he accomplished after he became ill is even more remarkable.
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    A brave gentleman indeed - may he rest in peace.
  • Inspirational in the way he faced his diagnosis, in the thousands of lives he touched and the money he raised for research.
    An impressive figure at 6'6", he'll always be remembered in the words of legendary commentator Bill McLaren as "on the charge like a mad giraffe.
  • EigonEigon Shipmate
    Greg Bear, the SF writer, has also died.
  • Former Chinese leader (and my own three time nominee for the Ship's celebrity deathpool) Jiang Zemin has died.
  • A busy week, the BBC says Christine McVie has died
  • Baseball Hall of Famer Gaylord Perry died yesterday, age 84. He had a reputation for throwing an illegal "spitball" but was only ejected for doing that once.
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